Deer hunting with dogs

[J Stuart]

First of all,where is it written that the animal should be afforded any reasonable chance of survival?For many millenia,hunting successfully as a means of survival far outweighed any sporting aspects of the chase in terms of importance."Gentleman's" snobbery and condemning another's hunting methods only serves to divide the entire hunting community,a practise that none of us can afford in this anti-everything day and age.

Secondly,I hope for you're own sake that if you ever shot my dog,you would be wearing body armour,full camo,and well honed in you're evade and escape skills.

Easy..keep your mutt away from my deer, and unless they can swim I suspect that you shall do that.

So what is next, are you going to threaten me a wee bit more, maybe denigrate my character or hold me up for ridicule....OR you could be really vicious and think nasty thoughts at me.

I am 3000 miles away fool.

 

[grinrgrn]

Actually it's more like 10,000 miles as any 3rd grade geography student should be able to tell you?

I always get a kick outta clowns that claim they will shoot any dog they see running the woods.I've ran my share of hounds for coons,cats,and rabbits,as well as bird dogs.With the exception of tight working bird dogs and rabbit hounds,the dogs are generally some distance from the hunter.I pity the SOB that takes it upon themself to shoot a cherished member of my family based on some mis-guided sense of moral superiority.

Admittedly,I've never hunted deer in front of hounds as it is illegal where I live and generally frowned upon by the un-informed majority that view it as somehow being un-sporting.That said,having an interest in dogs and all types of hunting,I've taken the time to educate myself somewhat on the practise,and without actually having done it,I'd conclude that it is no different than a group of human drivers pushing a bush for deer?As stated in previous posts,from what I understand it's a far cry from the image many have of viscious,bloodthirsty hounds running a majestic buck to exhaustion and certainly no gaurantee of success,which should fit you're definition of sporting chance?

 

[J Stuart]

Actually it's more like 10,000 miles as any 3rd grade geography student should be able to tell you?

I always get a kick outta clowns that claim they will shoot any dog they see running the woods.I've ran my share of hounds for coons,cats,and rabbits,as well as bird dogs.With the exception of tight working bird dogs and rabbit hounds,the dogs are generally some distance from the hunter.I pity the SOB that takes it upon themself to shoot a cherished member of my family based on some feeling of moral superiority.Cheers.

Is it...bugger !
Try rereading my entire post without skipping the bits that do not further your argument....and you had better start teaching your mutts to REALLY swim if you want to get them shot by me.
The dogs that I have hunted with on deer stayed close as I used them for their nose, not for their teeth....the dogs that I have used on pigs were used to pull the animals down and to lug them....different game, different rules.
But the same applies with my dogs....if they are off the porch they are feral.

Ps, I was wondering what your reply would be.

Pps, try 7781 miles, does that mean we are both imbeciles or just you for correcting me with a wrong answer.

 

[12magnum]

Easy..keep your mutt away from my deer, and unless they can swim I suspect that you shall do that.

So what is next, are you going to threaten me a wee bit more, maybe denigrate my character or hold me up for ridicule....OR you could be really vicious and think nasty thoughts at me.

I am 3000 miles away fool.

Very stupid posts!! I for one would not assume that i know anything about your hunting methods, for whatever game you're after and i would not condem your methods because i've never even been to Australia. I think you could at least attempt to recognize that there are differences in our hunting situations as well. Hunting with hounds, in Canada maybe a little bit different, than what you have personally experienced in Australia. Allowing dogs to run deer is illegal in Ontario, except when liscenced during the open season for hunting deer.To shoot any dog you happen to see unaccompanied may be the Aussie way, but man don't do it here!!! What you are doing is insulting other hunters, who use a method you may think you're familiar with , but are not.Live and let live and don't be so damn judgemental!!

 

[grinrgrn]

Is it...bugger !
Pps, try 7781 miles, does that mean we are both imbeciles or just you for correcting me with a wrong answer.

My my,Google Earth is an amazing tool isn't it?Oh well,10,000 is almost a 100% closer guess to 7781 than 3000 so I win,LOL.

 

[J Stuart]

Very stupid posts!! I for one would not assume that i know anything about your hunting methods, for whatever game you're after and i would not condem your methods because i've never even been to Australia. I think you could at least attempt to recognize that there are differences in our hunting situations as well. Hunting with hounds, in Canada maybe a little bit different, than what you have personally experienced in Australia. Allowing dogs to run deer is illegal in Ontario, except when liscenced during the open season for hunting deer.To shoot any dog you happen to see unaccompanied may be the Aussie way, but man don't do it here!!! What you are doing is insulting other hunters, who use a method you may think you're familiar with , but are not.Live and let live and don't be so damn judgemental!!

Actually we are over-run with feral dogs and the vast majority of shooters go out of their way to dispatch them, most of these animals are left by characters who could not be bothered looking for lost animals.
As for the other bit, you seem to be a wee bit touchy about your dogs...to the point that you will attack anyone (even those across the world) for daring to hold different opinions.
You now officially have my blessings to go play with your dogs in your own back yard, just do not bring them into mine.....unless of course, I invite you.

Your post was boring...I much prefer arguing with GRINRGRN as he is quicker of the mark than you.

 

[J Stuart]

My my,Google Earth is an amazing tool isn't it?Oh well,10,000 is almost a 100% closer guess to 7781 than 3000 so I win,LOL.

LOL, that was how I arrived at that figure....I had absolutely no idea before that..it is a good thing that I do not claim to be educated.

So I take it that you are sitting on your hands bored out of your skull too.

 

[12magnum]

Maybe boring, but you don't want to see a valid point, you just want to argue anyways. We don't attack anyone for no reason. My dogs are registered purebreds that were bred for hunting as well as family pets, not feral dogs. I've been in the area of training retrievers for a long time, as well as hounds. My dogs, as are the majority are far too valuable to let run in anyones backyard or anywhere else and are kenneled or tied when not used. It's illegal here to allow dogs to roam at will.Your feral dog problem in Australia has nothing to do with valid use of dogs in Canada. I don't really think you want to know anything about dog hunting anyway you just want to argue. Have fun sucker!!!

 

[grinrgrn]

So I take it that you are sitting on your hands bored out of your scull too.

Yup,pretty much.Wasting yet another day at the 'puter,anxiously awaiting winter to loosen it's grip and see our bear baits getting hit and for trout season to open next week on the 15th.It's the "between" season here.....going shack wacky.

 

[J Stuart]

Maybe boring, but you don't want to see a valid point, you just want to argue anyways. We don't attack anyone for no reason. My dogs are registered purebreds that were bred for hunting as well as family pets, not feral dogs. I've been in the area of training retrievers for a long time, as well as hounds. My dogs, as are the majority are far too valuable to let run in anyones backyard or anywhere else and are kenneled or tied when not used. It's illegal here to allow dogs to roam at will.Your feral dog problem in Australia has nothing to do with valid use of dogs in Canada. I don't really think you want to know anything about dog hunting anyway you just want to argue. Have fun sucker!!!

Okay, you have my attention.
What valid point....that you have a vested interest in telling everyone that you breed pedigreed dogs, or that you are arguing about not letting your dogs wander...when you don't.

Show me just the once where I tried to impose my ethics on yours....(now be fair and read my posts through completely)....then come to the point where you have got your nose out of joint because I did not find your reply stimulating.

Oh, and I am no-ones sucker, quite the converse in fact, you on the other hand seem to know an awful lot about sucking.

 

[J Stuart]

Yup,pretty much.Wasting yet another day at the 'puter,anxiously awaiting winter to loosen it's grip and see our bear baits getting hit and for trout season to open next week on the 15th.It's the "between" season here.....going shack wacky.

At least you have bears to look forward to, we are just coming into winter...nothing like yours though, we will only get to a minimum of -2 or -3 on the coldest night of the year.
I don't suppose you could tell me how you utilise the bear baits could you ?

I know how you feel about the trout, every now and then I feel the need to go to the Snowy Mountains and do a little spinning for trout....I do this because I do not know of anyone who can fish and worry at the same time (and this includes me).

 

[the_big_mike]

I now shoot every dog that I find unaccompanied as a matter of course.

 

[Camper]

Experiencing the rush of hearing the dogs get closer and closer is just awsome. Nothing unethical about it!

 

[grinrgrn]

At the risk of being attacked by those "Holier than thou,my way(spot&stalk)is more sporting" sorts of individuals(who in all likelihood have never baited bears?)and are opposed to bear baiting,I'll explain the basics.

Basically....we lug 45 gallon plastic drums into the woods,chain them to a tree,fill them with food,(meat scraps,expired produce,day-old breads and donuts,restaurant fryer grease etc.)and once the bears find them and start to hit them regularily,spend evenings watching the bait,in hopes of tagging a good bear.

Those that are opposed to it see it as not very sporting or much of a challenge?In reality,it's the only feasible way to bear hunt in this part of Canada with a reasonable chance at success,and taking a good bear is not anything like shooting fish in a barrel.It's far from being boring,and can be downright nerve wracking when bowhunting especially.For example,when a bear decides to climb up your treestand and chase you away from "his" dinner....or maybe make you the main course?Sitting over an active bait until dark thirty knowing there are hungry bears lurking in the area while armed with only a sharp stick makes for some interesting hikes out of the woods.I have a bowhunting buddy that once spent the entire night in his treestand,afraid to come down aand risk running into the 400+lb bear that came in just as it got too dark too shoot,LOL. He still bowhunts,but carries a 12ga slug gun for the hike out....not a bad idea really?

 

[J Stuart]

At the risk of being attacked by those "Holier than thou,my way(spot&stalk)is more sporting" sorts of individuals(who in all likelihood have never baited bears?)and are opposed to bear baiting,I'll explain the basics.

Basically....we lug 45 gallon plastic drums into the woods,chain them to a tree,fill them with food,(meat scraps,expired produce,day-old breads and donuts,restaurant fryer grease etc.)and once the bears find them and start to hit them regularily,spend evenings watching the bait,in hopes of tagging a good bear.

Those that are opposed to it see it as not very sporting or much of a challenge?In reality,it's the only feasible way to bear hunt in this part of Canada with a reasonable chance at success,and taking a good bear is not anything like shooting fish in a barrel.It's far from being boring,and can be downright nerve wracking when bowhunting especially.For example,when a bear decides to climb up your treestand and chase you away from "his" dinner....or maybe make you the main course?Sitting over an active bait until dark thirty knowing there are hungry bears lurking in the area while armed with only a sharp stick makes for some interesting hikes out of the woods.I have a bowhunting buddy that once spent the entire night in his treestand,afraid to come down aand risk running into the 400+lb bear that came in just as it got too dark too shoot,LOL. He still bowhunts,but carries a 12ga slug gun for the hike out....not a bad idea really?

I would have thought that bloody dangerous would be a better description, I suspect that little sticky-inny-thingy's might not seem like a good idea at 1.00am in the morn.

I am given to understand that there is quite a bit of distance between the bears that more or less precludes stalking...is this so, do you utilise the water ways to cover country.
Do you use a predominantly fat mix in the bait, or are the bears attracted to pungent odors, also how the hell do you get the oil and stink out of the hides, and how do you transport the hides when on foot.

 

[constablex]

If J Stuart and Grinrgrn could please take there lovers quarral else where.....

I believe in the original post we had a member wishing to learn about the use of dogs while hunting deer, a perfectly legal, ethical, humain way to hunt.

If anyone would like to further the original posters knowledge about this method of hunting post away!

 

[723723]

it's obvious nobody here has any substantial experience doing this ...

or they'd be able to answer the porcupine question ... interesting post though!

 

[grinrgrn]

If J Stuart and Grinrgrn could please take there lovers quarral else where.....

I believe in the original post we had a member wishing to learn about the use of dogs while hunting deer, a perfectly legal, ethical, humain way to hunt.

If anyone would like to further the original posters knowledge about this method of hunting post away!

Gee,imagine that......a thread getting hijacked off the original topic.....likely a first in the history of internet forums?

JS,it's not so much the pop.density of bears here,we have lots,it's more the terrain and cover that we have in NB that makes S&S less productive.In many areas,you'd spend weeks stalking the woods to catch a glimpse of a fleeing bear.In the Fall there is a better chance with mast and agricultural crops,apple orchards etc. drawing bears,but in Spring it's much more difficult to predict where bears might be.sure you can glass clearcuts and meadows and stand a chance of taking a bear with a rifle,but bowhunting you're chances would be slim to nil,here at least,without bait.

 

[J Stuart]

You have noted a difference of opinion about baiting, is this a regular bone of contention or localised, how about the question of removing the oil and smell from the hides.
Also, is the meat better in the spring prior to the animals putting on extra fat, does the hide come off easier without the extra fat.

 

[horshur]

You have noted a difference of opinion about baiting, is this a regular bone of contention or localised, how about the question of removing the oil and smell from the hides.
Also, is the meat better in the spring prior to the animals putting on extra fat, does the hide come off easier without the extra fat.

stuart...a bear in the fall has got to be the the greasiest fish smelling thing you could imagine...salmon feeding bear can't be ate IMO...but the tanning process removes all the greasy fat and smell..they basically wash the hide in soap as part of the process...they do not smell after the fact.
The diet of the bear resembles the taste...dead fish diet...taste awfull fishy.
Corn and grass and such..taste alot like pork.