Deer hunting with dogs
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Oil/smell on the hide is a non-issue?We use restaurant grease by dumping a 5gallon bucket on the ground at the baitsite,which helps to attract other bears by laying a scent trail to the site once the first bear gets his feet into it.There's not any notable difference in the ease of skinning either season,though the extra fat makes more work for prepping the hide for tanning and trimming away fat for butchering.
I think opinions on baiting vs. spot&stalk are more regionally influenced?In most of eastern Canada,baiting is often the only way to have a reasonable expectation of success,while on the west coast with more bears,heavily logged areas,and mountainous terrain that lends well to spotting scopes,baiting seems to be regarded as unethical or not sporting?In better areas in the west for example,sometimes you can glass and judge several bears/day and plan a stalk or not,whereas in most areas of NB,you'd do well to catch a glimpse of just a few bears all season without bait?
I think opinions on baiting vs. spot&stalk are more regionally influenced?In most of eastern Canada,baiting is often the only way to have a reasonable expectation of success,while on the west coast with more bears,heavily logged areas,and mountainous terrain that lends well to spotting scopes,baiting seems to be regarded as unethical or not sporting?In better areas in the west for example,sometimes you can glass and judge several bears/day and plan a stalk or not,whereas in most areas of NB,you'd do well to catch a glimpse of just a few bears all season without bait?
Are the hunters who are resident/visiting able to access the tag system (bear with me here as we do not have this, apart from hog deer) and is there a minimum calibre for bear, both black and brown.
Is there a criteria specifying the use of the carcase, as in must all of the carcase be retrieved and utilised.
And now for the really big question, what sort of a rug do they make ?
Stuart I was under the immpression at least in parts that second group is still a legitimate legal method for hunting in your country...sambar stags.
If you shot a dog that was participating in a legal method than I think that you have overstepped regardless of your views. Least here it would be a chargeable offense.
This also precludes the nature of young hunting bred dogs which are apt to stray until there formal training progresses and even then it is true that a good dog can have a moment of indescretion. So I see you lacking some measure of grace. Boy's will be boy's and dog's will be dog's.
I have never used dogs for deer but hunt mnt Lion and Bear some with hounds. A bear race can turn into a very long day real easy....you will not be able to keep up in steep timbered country on a runner or a big walking bear...trust me.
Maybe them slow feral pigs but not a bear.
A Tom lion may do a big circle of ten to fifteen miles in a night and if the dogs strike at the one mile mark you will be in for a long day and not be able to keep up unless you are horseback in soft country...though lions when jumped tend to tree quikly. This is why in snow country we try to shorten up the circle first before turning a dog loose.
Lastly a young dog in a long chase...which may just be cold trailing and never even contact the animal..can lose heart or become sore footed and will lay up to rest somtimes for a day or two and so this foot weary dog eventually will get hungry and start looking to get home....she may be doing nothing wrong just got beat by the older dogs...to shoot her would be a real shame don't you think????
Anyway thankfully most are not the same as you! ...Try doing this without a dog.
I should have been a little more precise in my description, yes using hounds to hunt deer is legal here, the problem seems to be the number of characters who are using non legal mongrels (read big bitey bastards) not to flush but to pull down, I understand that there are legitimate dogging teams that use hounds (I have never heard of Beagles being used though), as to shooting dogs that are on their own, consider that most of the dogs that are found running around wild over here are just that, wild vicious creatures that have reverted, I personally have never seen a well bred hound off by itself....every one that I have shot and seen has been a mongrel that should be dispatched on sight.
For some odd reason most of the young (and not so young) fellows seem to have a thing about ill bred, monstrous great pig dogs, these are fine when chained or caged but an absolute disaster when loose, what is more they are used to hunting in packs which is not good when they band together.
Most of the serious fellows have tracking collars on their animals and do not lose them.
I occasionally find working dogs on the road or in the paddocks....these I take to the cockies place and chain up.
Anything...and I mean anything that does not belong is shot out of hand, regardless of whether or not it is wearing a collar, this includes town dogs that are off the porch.
If I am out hunting and come across the tracks of a dog I give up on what I am hunting and follow up on the dog, as do most others I know....the farmers insist upon it, and so do I.
Ps, and I still do not agree on hunting deer in teams with teams of dogs, the deer deserve better....and so do we.
Oh, and we do not have big cats so your question is moot.
For some odd reason most of the young (and not so young) fellows seem to have a thing about ill bred, monstrous great pig dogs, these are fine when chained or caged but an absolute disaster when loose, what is more they are used to hunting in packs which is not good when they band together.
Most of the serious fellows have tracking collars on their animals and do not lose them.
I occasionally find working dogs on the road or in the paddocks....these I take to the cockies place and chain up.
Anything...and I mean anything that does not belong is shot out of hand, regardless of whether or not it is wearing a collar, this includes town dogs that are off the porch.
If I am out hunting and come across the tracks of a dog I give up on what I am hunting and follow up on the dog, as do most others I know....the farmers insist upon it, and so do I.
Ps, and I still do not agree on hunting deer in teams with teams of dogs, the deer deserve better....and so do we.
Oh, and we do not have big cats so your question is moot.
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Nice pic Horshur--that cat won't hold long there either going up or coming down. I like a nice sit down tree dog like the one in the pic--I gotta slober mouth tree dog here but she tends to hog the tree and run it all the time. Shooting game outta the tree ain't no big deal--gettin to the tree sometimes takes some doing eh?
Brutus
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Shooting a deer at more than 50 yards away is inhumane, i mean really, guys have these tricked out guns, that basically shoot themselves, how can you call that hunting, the deer never had a chance. And whats that deer going to taste like, with all that blood shot meat, from that 375 H&H. Bone fragments and guts littered throughout the body cavity, shame on you unethical hunters!
WHAT...how can you say that!
You have never been to a prairie province I take it.
The last deer I took I used my father's 30-30 at a paced off 260 yards, in Northern Alberta.
I hunted that area hard for three days solid, the year before i never got a deer in that area, but had my eye on this buck for a long time. I also spent alot of time at the rifle range with this 30-30 carbine, practicing before the season started. The land to I scouted extensively.
So considering what you just said, I am an un-ethical hunter in your opinion(?)
Last year, I rolled a wild boar with a single shot, from an Ithaca M37, (using iron sites I must add) at 75 yards using a single slug.
You need to take a pill. The lay of the land and the hunter's abilities mean much more here....
What's that Clint Eastwood saying?
"A mans got to know his limitations!"
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Ive been part of dog hunts since I was a kid, back in europe and here, I have yet to see a dog that can catch up with a deer, unless that deer is sick,
never had a problem with dog wondering off after other game, ususally in my group we hunt with only one dog, thats all we need, its quite exciting to hear the dog sound off
dog hunts being unethical???? hunting is a tradition for crying out laud, in an age where everyone can get of a cauch and buy a choice stake at a local meat strore, we discussing the ethics of it??? we hunt for tradition and hunting with dogs is a very long tradition
never had a problem with dog wondering off after other game, ususally in my group we hunt with only one dog, thats all we need, its quite exciting to hear the dog sound off
dog hunts being unethical???? hunting is a tradition for crying out laud, in an age where everyone can get of a cauch and buy a choice stake at a local meat strore, we discussing the ethics of it??? we hunt for tradition and hunting with dogs is a very long tradition
Uh okay.....
I think I hear 7.62's laughter.....
Perhaps I need a break from here, sorry guys!
LOL, was beginning to think no one saw that post
I live less than 1/2 a km from the London Hunt Club's Fox Hound Pack. They have about 60 hounds that they run coyote and fox in the fall. I love waking up to them singing every morning.
I know the Huntsman down there fairly well, he comes from England, and I have followed the hunt via my truck every once in a while. They follow on horseback, crazy buggers, don't know how people get on those things. Anyways, hunting with hounds certainly has it's traditions in Ontario, never been on a hunt for deer with hounds, but would sure like to try it some time. Actually, I would like to try any form of legal hunting, some I may not like, but I sure wouldn't put somebody down if that was their thing.
I know the Huntsman down there fairly well, he comes from England, and I have followed the hunt via my truck every once in a while. They follow on horseback, crazy buggers, don't know how people get on those things. Anyways, hunting with hounds certainly has it's traditions in Ontario, never been on a hunt for deer with hounds, but would sure like to try it some time. Actually, I would like to try any form of legal hunting, some I may not like, but I sure wouldn't put somebody down if that was their thing.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
This can be cleared up more through education than through argument. To all those that haven't hunted with hounds:
There is a "visual" of deer screaming through the bush, foaming with sweat with a pck of vicious dogs nipping at their hind legs. The image is that this terrified deer runs out to the hunter and dies in terror.
This is not anything like how it really works!
In real life, the deer bed down in the hell-holes and thickets in our boreal bush. All the beagles do is get the deer up and moving...hence the reason we train them to howl or "tongue" when they get on a fresh scent....the more noise the better, gets more deer up and moving. Even if the beagles actually see the deer (jump it in it's bed) the deer is SOOOO far away from the dogs in 15 seconds, there is no way the dogs can catch it.
I've been hunting over dogs a long time, and heres how it *actually* plays out:
The dogs start tonguing on a fresh track off in the distance.
5 minutes later the deer walks out (hopefully
Deer gets shot.
10 minutes later the dogs come out on the track.
Seriously, the image of terrified deer being chased is completely false. All the dogs do is cover lots of ground, stir up the bush and get the otherwise bedded deer up and moving.
That's the way 99% of our deer are shot with dogs as well. I have shot deer that the dogs put up seconds ago, and they are pretty much air borne. Deer outdistance even the largest of dogs very quickly.
Here's an example. We were having lunch at our old camp, listening to a dog chase far in the distance. It was obvious that the chase was big dogs, something you learn to recognize by their voice. Then, one of the guys sees a deer swimming the lake. The deer swims all the way across the lake, but decides not to go ashore on the far bank for some reason, and swims about the same distance down to the end of the lake. One of the guys drabs his rifle, and runs like hell around the lake end to try and cut her off. She ran down the shore a ways, and then up in to the bush, where she nearly ran our man down. We were loading the deer in the boat, when the hounds we heard in the distance while we were eating lunch hit the shore of the lake, and stopped. We collected the black and tans, and returned them to a neighboring camp.
By the way, anyone who thinks hunting with dogs is unsportsmanlike, or easy, is either bone stupid, or has simply never tried to keep up with dogs going through the bush. It's a lot of work.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Hey you got Brutus good..LOL, was beginning to think no one saw that post
I saw it alright, but I think most of the guys here are experience enough both in hunting, and in this forum to see it as a jest.
But anyway
After reading 6 pages of a thread I started, I must admit that I was surprised that the only one that really gave me some info on this was wrong way(thanks wrong way), I was entertained on some of the posts that went back and forth however I appologize for creating a thread that hit a nerve with some members, I didnt know it was a touchy subject with some people, that was not my intention.
