Brigade Makasi MK15 First impression Canada review

greentips said:
I bought a restricted brigade manufacturing Makasi MK15 from Irunguns so to give you guys my first look ahead of the non restricted.

Overall, not a fit and finish guy myself, compared to many things I have seen before the Makasi is 4 out 5. They even lined up the top opening slot of the 3 prong flash suppressor. Machining on the outside is good, haven't got time open it up to see the inside.

Trigger is like the standard AR, nothing to write about. The stock LOP is shorter than I expect so it may not need a new stock. will measure it later on. It is about the same as the 4th pos of the typical 6 pos AR Lower

I look down the gas block - very tight clearance between top of gas block and hand guard. I pushed the barrel a bit and it should have enough space not to touch the barrel. however, the wire clip holding the gas plug in place to the gas block looks funny. It looks like the hand guard channel is pushing it out of place, and have it squeezed in between. will look into this later. And the rifle came setup in “ suppressed” setting, so not sure how they tested fired this

The barrel is not chrome lined that's for sure. The asymmetric magazine well is a bit funky for those who are used to the typical AR lower. It is hard to explain, but it is like you try to index it but half of the indexing template is gone.

Side charging handle is a bit of an issue for a type 2 malfunction bolt partially forward IA - probably the same for the canadian AR180 derivative too. I can kinda lock the bolt catch with some micro finger positioning while pulling the handle all the way backward, but it needs a bit of finer finger motor skill.




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Why get it as a restricted rifle? I know some people want a shorter barrel, but as a non restricted rifle it’s only a few inches longer and you can shoot it on crown land or the range and no registration with the Feds. Also I’ve seen reviews on this and one of them was from the Military Arms Channel on YouTube and he said if he only had that rifle that he wouldn’t hesitate to take it to battle, which is great! I really want one but I’ll have to see what happens to it considering the current climate regarding firearms in Canada with the garbage government we have.
 
Feminist said:
Huh? Plenty of iwi rifles are adopted by other government users. Galil and tavor are well known on the export market. But the carmel has no government users outside or inside israel.

Not saying that government adoption is the ultimate qualifier. But one should refrain from spreading easily fact checked misinformation like "None of IWIs rifles have been adopted outside of Israel".



A poor design that's "well made and works as it should" is still a poor design. The critique is that it's a 10lb pencil barrel 5.56mm rifle fully configured. If that doesn't matter, then more power to you.

As the above user said, my opinion on what you buy is irrelevant. You do you with your own $2400.
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I believe the Indian government have a large contract with IWI for the Carmel. It'll be their service weapon, and the Indians have a large military.

edit: Galil Ace apparently. The Carmel was a consideration.
 
Painkillers said:
I believe the Indian government have a large contract with IWI for the Carmel. It'll be their service weapon, and the Indians have a large military.

edit: Galil Ace apparently. The Carmel was a consideration.
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Given their history with small arms selection & procurement, I wouldn't consider that to be a particularly glowing endorsement.
 
Thegoose said:
didn't the carmel lose the bid they were going for and abandon the project?>
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Yeah, I watched a video that described the story of the Carmel. Apparently IWI Israel ceased development and then IWI USA took the platform and altered it a little to suit US commercial customers a bit more (mainly the handguard). Which is the version we have before us now.
 
I’m gonna stick with the Makasi too seeing as I’ve already preordered it
As far as the handguard goes, meh
If the threads strip out I’ll just get a longer bolt and use a washer and lock nut to tighten it down
 
Feminist said:
The Carmel is literally slop lmao. Aside from brand name it's hard to find a compelling reason to go for it. It's been around for years with very little government user adoption to show. It has very little user feedback and promotional presence, even through iwi channels. Makes you wonder if stock we're getting is being dumped for a quick buck.

The bare 16" Carmel is like 8.125lb with no accessories, no optic, no sling, and no magazine. With a Canadian NR barrel and fully configured with accessories and a lightweight optic, it'll be pushing 10lb before you even insert a magazine. That's retarded for a 5.56mm gun. It's non-trivial if you try to do any practical/dynamic disciplines or carry it inna woods.

For context, an AR with similar light profile barrel, like the BCM® RECCE-16 is 5.8lb LOL.

A Makasi with 16" M4 profile barrel is listed at 7.0lb on the manufacturer website. That actually makes it competitive as a MSR for serious use. Part availability and modularity is much better, ergonomics are much more familiar for most users. The Makasi problems (handguard bolt, gas block pin) mentioned in this ITT thread are not insurmountable. Whereas the Carmel's problems are inherent to the design.
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I like heavy guns. They are easier to shoot well.
Walking around light is right. When hits count I would go heavy.
 
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