You can watch the review by Military Arms Channel on YouTube to see all that, his final comments on the rifle is that if that was his only rifle he would gladly take it to battle, so that’s good to hear.
Brigade Makasi MK15 First impression Canada review
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Why get it as a restricted rifle? I know some people want a shorter barrel, but as a non restricted rifle it’s only a few inches longer and you can shoot it on crown land or the range and no registration with the Feds. Also I’ve seen reviews on this and one of them was from the Military Arms Channel on YouTube and he said if he only had that rifle that he wouldn’t hesitate to take it to battle, which is great! I really want one but I’ll have to see what happens to it considering the current climate regarding firearms in Canada with the garbage government we have.
Painkillers
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I believe the Indian government have a large contract with IWI for the Carmel. It'll be their service weapon, and the Indians have a large military.
edit: Galil Ace apparently. The Carmel was a consideration.
Given their history with small arms selection & procurement, I wouldn't consider that to be a particularly glowing endorsement.
Yeah, I watched a video that described the story of the Carmel. Apparently IWI Israel ceased development and then IWI USA took the platform and altered it a little to suit US commercial customers a bit more (mainly the handguard). Which is the version we have before us now.
Gunnerlove
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I like heavy guns. They are easier to shoot well.
Walking around light is right. When hits count I would go heavy.
johnny the boy
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Anyone know if FNC1 type wood furniture for this rifle is made? Someone should be on the manufacturer / distributer in sorting out these issues. Helicoils a easy mod at factory as fixing the clip with a c clip.Please someone send bolth parties a Princess Auto catalogue!
I think people kinda misunderstood the problem with steel helico here, Let me say in again-
"he aluminum threadings for the two cross bolts in the handguard are passable without heli coil under normal circumstances. the main problem here is that the barrel nut cross bolt channels are not aligned- the factory assembler probably ran the power tool so he or she didn’t feel the “abnormal” resistance when the bolts were forced through the barrel nut material and into handguard- that is why there are metal powder and lots of “white” in the hole."
The steel insert and /or helico in the threads should be the standard if this is a government thing - but it is OK to go without. It is a NICE thing to have for commercial rifle but not LIFE or DEATH. Yes, probably not a good idea to take it on and off all the time just for the hell of it if you want to minimize any thread wearing out and accidents. Like you have to be careful and make sure it is lined up - it is not bomb proof assembling like a military rifle for the mass.
What you see in the picture is not the result of lack of helico -the holes and the barrel nut got a bit mingled and "whited" because the holes in the handle do not line up with the barrel nut channel. So the assembler forced the bolt into the barrel nut channel by power tool - the barrel nut is likely aluminium so the steel bolt just 'wedge" itself in and is force threaded into the barrel nut.
"he aluminum threadings for the two cross bolts in the handguard are passable without heli coil under normal circumstances. the main problem here is that the barrel nut cross bolt channels are not aligned- the factory assembler probably ran the power tool so he or she didn’t feel the “abnormal” resistance when the bolts were forced through the barrel nut material and into handguard- that is why there are metal powder and lots of “white” in the hole."
The steel insert and /or helico in the threads should be the standard if this is a government thing - but it is OK to go without. It is a NICE thing to have for commercial rifle but not LIFE or DEATH. Yes, probably not a good idea to take it on and off all the time just for the hell of it if you want to minimize any thread wearing out and accidents. Like you have to be careful and make sure it is lined up - it is not bomb proof assembling like a military rifle for the mass.
What you see in the picture is not the result of lack of helico -the holes and the barrel nut got a bit mingled and "whited" because the holes in the handle do not line up with the barrel nut channel. So the assembler forced the bolt into the barrel nut channel by power tool - the barrel nut is likely aluminium so the steel bolt just 'wedge" itself in and is force threaded into the barrel nut.
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When people find out how the fish gun arrives and gets re-barreled, I don't think they'll be pleasantly surprised. When the ppl realize that greentips gun is US market gun and our NR ones will be even more sloppier assemblies, rushed to fill crazy demands from our hungry market... oh boy.
Both the Makasi and the fish gun are highly questionable options. The fish gun's only real advantage is that it comes from a reputable manufacturer. But it was a failed project and it remains failure for a reason.
The problem is that, for us in Canada, they're pretty much the only options. I would like to see if there are any issues with firing. Because what I hear from US is even worse than I read here. Very sad, I had some hopes.
Both the Makasi and the fish gun are highly questionable options. The fish gun's only real advantage is that it comes from a reputable manufacturer. But it was a failed project and it remains failure for a reason.
The problem is that, for us in Canada, they're pretty much the only options. I would like to see if there are any issues with firing. Because what I hear from US is even worse than I read here. Very sad, I had some hopes.
Thank you GT. Devil is in the details, as they say.
I watched several fish gun disassembly videos and was impressed with the barrel attachment mechanism. It looks solid and has decent potential for accuracy.
With the Makasi, I suspect the weak point could be its modular push rod. It is possible to make it work, but that requires very very good metallurgy. Not impossible even for a small company, but… based on the unboxing post, it seems QA/QC there leaves a lot to be desired. No guide rod for the recoil spring is an odd choice also.
The stubby guide rod, maybe I was incorrect to call it no guide rod because it is very short partial guide rod , due to the fact that there is relatively little space in the receiver. Thats probably the reason sig mcx follows the ar18 foot print of using twin rods - the Makasi is running a single.
The result of this single rod dual spring is a relatively stiff charging relative to other system - think they did this to get the spring rate vs displacement relationship they need.
if we want a super compact receiver with minimum height with no buffer tube around the AR sizing , either it does the MCX arrangement or the Makasi.
The Mcx bgc and dual rod with the firing pin block is relatively complicated - so the Makasi is more KISS, the trade off is stiffer charging. The MCX also has other objectives that are not the same as Makasi
The result of this single rod dual spring is a relatively stiff charging relative to other system - think they did this to get the spring rate vs displacement relationship they need.
if we want a super compact receiver with minimum height with no buffer tube around the AR sizing , either it does the MCX arrangement or the Makasi.
The Mcx bgc and dual rod with the firing pin block is relatively complicated - so the Makasi is more KISS, the trade off is stiffer charging. The MCX also has other objectives that are not the same as Makasi
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There are no barrel swap worries, your comment is unfounded.
Carmel - Built and tested by one of the top firearm manufacturers in the world......wasn't wide spread adopted because AR/M4 and SCAR pattern firearms dominate the global market and current military contracts.
Makasi - Built by nobodies who cannot even machine a handguard and barrel nut to line up properly then forced it and consider that good enough to ship out, on top of the other listed issues/concerns.
Brigade has endless complaints about sloppy machining and incorrect tolerances on every model of firearm they make, they can't even produce the most common gun in USA without screwing that up.
The only thing questionable is how big of a turd will the Makasi turn out to be.
Why so much dislike for IWI?
Carmel couldn't compete with the other AR and short stroke piston guns because it was just not a good design. That's why it was canned and then brought back later to sell on the commercial market.
Every proponent of carmel I've seen on here has been some variation of:
"it's made by IWI, therefore it must be good!1!!"
It's an uncompelling product being shilled by brand worshippers. Nuff said.
Every proponent of carmel I've seen on here has been some variation of:
"it's made by IWI, therefore it must be good!1!!"
It's an uncompelling product being shilled by brand worshippers. Nuff said.
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Bingo!
Brendon292
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I think people are only saying that when they compare it to Canadian black rifle brands.
