Never say never, my (currently) AUG-less friend. If the Conservatives ever form a majority government and adopt the Simplified Classification System as they have frequently promised to do, then you may stand a very good chance. Of course the Consevatives have to form governmentt first for that to happen, however....
Show Us Your Evil Black/Green/Brown Prohib Rifles
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Never say never, my (currently) AUG-less friend. If the Conservatives ever form a majority government and adopt the Simplified Classification System as they have frequently promised to do, then you may stand a very good chance. Of course the Consevatives have to form governmentt first for that to happen, however....
My Son will act as Executor for the firearms, with my Wife's oversight for as long as she is around. She also has 12(3), (4), (5) and (6), so can lawfully possess all of my 1990s prohibited stuff for as long as she lives. My Son currently holds the majority of our Handguns and PCCs/PDWs in his name and my Wife can hold the balance of OIC 12(X) firearms that are currently in my name. My Boy knows that to turn much of the collection into money he is going to have to have the Prohibited pieces deactivated slowly over time for sale to the public. I won't particularly care at that point, so have directed them to do whatever they deem best for the family, with the minimum possible hassle.
Bartok have you ever considered opening a museum. It appears you definitely have enough of a collection to and I would pay to come take a peak at them, I’m sure there are a few here that would pay to come visit with you and get a chance to see them
Here's the only Restricted Type 81 Rifle in Canada. This was the first one imported by TI, sent to RCMP Lab for FRT approval.
Yes, those Lab people have had their hands all over this one. Now in possession of a private collector.
Was publicly displayed at Taccom (2018?), prior to first batch imported. Handled and loved by many people at that show.
Notice unique serial number, and unique barrel shroud over ~17.5" barrel.
(Barrel length only reason for Restricted Classification)
Rifle is obviously now Prohibited from Dec 2024 OIC, and included in possession amnesty.
Yes, those Lab people have had their hands all over this one. Now in possession of a private collector.
Was publicly displayed at Taccom (2018?), prior to first batch imported. Handled and loved by many people at that show.
Notice unique serial number, and unique barrel shroud over ~17.5" barrel.
(Barrel length only reason for Restricted Classification)
Rifle is obviously now Prohibited from Dec 2024 OIC, and included in possession amnesty.
Bartok have you ever considered opening a museum. It appears you definitely have enough of a collection to and I would pay to come take a peak at them, I’m sure there are a few here that would pay to come visit with you and get a chance to see them
I have considered a museum, however my intent would not be to fund future acquisitions through an entry fee, as then you get into a "business" situation with taxation implications, etc. I am not at all interested in managing a small business. Rather, my museum access would be based on voluntary donations, with applicants screened by telephone call for suitability/purpose of the visit beforehand. With my collection housed in my home, I am not willing to meet the Alberta Museum Association's definition of an operating museum which requires that it be open to the public 200 hours per year. My collection will never be open to the general public with established hours, etc. It is accessed only by people who I (as curator and host) have personally screened by telephone. I am not looking to accommodate generic "looky-loos" with an interest in military small arms, as the potential volume is simply too great for my set-up and my Wife's tolerance for strangers in our home. My visitors are hand-selected and not every one who asks receives permission and directions. That's just how it is.
I have done my best to establish a viable working reference collection of late 20th Century and early 21st Century small arms, with emphasis on rifles/carbines and SMGs/PDWs/PCCs. It is a pretty thorough collection, although I will always be the first to admit that I am still missing certain key designs or design developments within my timeline. Those who apply to visit will get my phone number to call and make their case for an invitation. There is nothing formal about the process - it is simply based on me getting a feel for who I am dealing with, their motivations, and my personal determination of whether or not I am willing to accommodate them in my home. As you can well imagine, hosting folks in my home for a tour of the guns is typically an hour to 2 hour commitment on my part as the curator and tour guide. It is time consuming and I have other interests in my life which also require a time commitment, so I am limited in terms of how many visits I can accept in any given week. Another reason not to be open to the public with established hours that I would then have to commit to.
If you are interested in a visit for academic research purposes or have an insane love of military weaponry and will be in the Edmonton region, feel free to DM me for an initial screening. Based on your email note I will either provide my personal cell number for a screening call, or I won't. And we will either take it from there, or we won't. Don't be offended nor discouraged if my answer is "no", as it may just be a question of bad scheduling and have nothing to do with the particular "vibe" that I get from you. Unfortunately, I simply cannot accommodate everyone who asks, as life is far too busy to act as a full-time curator. Besides which, the wife would (understandably) never accept a constant stream of strangers through our home! It is a question of available time, life balance, and of course my family's personal security....
Probably not directly applicable to your situation but in a more general context, I have been wondering why the local legions have not been considered more for collaboration in operating museum. I am aware of the politics within each legion and also some corporate challenges as well as the obvious money issue , but they are good candidates for having established real estates and the manpower.
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Those are enough to kill it for most legions.
There is already a special provision for legions to be licensed as museums displaying prohibited firearms so the licensing barrier is lower. But politics and money are enough of a hurdle that it never happens.
The security required to display all those prohibited firearms would be way outside what most legion would be able to manage.
Exactly. Most Legion buildings have a basic intrusion alarm system but that's about it. Most lack alarms with 2-way voice verfication, exterior and interior cameras, near-permanent presence, a loud Dog, steel vault doors and frames, reinforced walls and ceiling, neighborhood watch, etc, etc.
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And none of those are a requirement for a museum license...
Putting politics aside and how the money will be raised, etc etc,
The availability and stability of "real estate" aka "space" are the most expensive part of a museum, also think of accessibility like parking space etc. Relatively speaking cameras etc and security storage are merely improvements to the property which can be written off through CCA but if the museum is already a NPO CCA doesn't matter. It is money but once it is spent it can provide a large capacity. Iff the museum can satisfy certain criteria as a registered charity the donation could be deducted - think donation in kind, may not be as good as deactivation for a cash sale to the open market but it does provide an alternative route of disposal at 30 cents per dollar roughly.
The museum doesn't need to display all artifacts openly. It can be a close room by appointment, or with a very limited small display and have the artifacts on rotation while the majority of the collection in storage. On top of that, it can be packaged as an education program and PD for local military units to get the hours. if 200 hours a year is the requirement in AB, this is roughly 4 hours a week. Whenever the legion is open the museum will fill the hours.
The availability and stability of "real estate" aka "space" are the most expensive part of a museum, also think of accessibility like parking space etc. Relatively speaking cameras etc and security storage are merely improvements to the property which can be written off through CCA but if the museum is already a NPO CCA doesn't matter. It is money but once it is spent it can provide a large capacity. Iff the museum can satisfy certain criteria as a registered charity the donation could be deducted - think donation in kind, may not be as good as deactivation for a cash sale to the open market but it does provide an alternative route of disposal at 30 cents per dollar roughly.
The museum doesn't need to display all artifacts openly. It can be a close room by appointment, or with a very limited small display and have the artifacts on rotation while the majority of the collection in storage. On top of that, it can be packaged as an education program and PD for local military units to get the hours. if 200 hours a year is the requirement in AB, this is roughly 4 hours a week. Whenever the legion is open the museum will fill the hours.
Perhaps not, but they are prudent if theft and subsequent criminal use of the artifacts are to be avoided. Reliance upon basic alarms alone will simply make the local legion/museum a lucrative target for criminals.
I bought a Steyr AUG SA on block leave after phase 2 of ISCC in 1990.
Edmonton Phoenix Range if I’m recalling right. $2200 for the Ruko imported rifle. Carbine barrel. And the MG barrel. With 3x30 and 2x42 round mags as well as a left hand bolt. I had cash in pocket. No better place to park that money…
Sold out of prohib class (sadly) in a generally disasterous marriage where releasing the AUG was the least of a long series of poor decisions.
That’s a great pair of rifles to have in collection Mark.
Edmonton Phoenix Range if I’m recalling right. $2200 for the Ruko imported rifle. Carbine barrel. And the MG barrel. With 3x30 and 2x42 round mags as well as a left hand bolt. I had cash in pocket. No better place to park that money…
Sold out of prohib class (sadly) in a generally disasterous marriage where releasing the AUG was the least of a long series of poor decisions.
That’s a great pair of rifles to have in collection Mark.
Thanks, Sprint - I wholeheartedly agree! Although two is overkill notwithstanding their different colours, I simply could not resist at that price. I paid $1800 for my first Green AUG at Castle Armoury in Vancouver back in 1991. I think they morphed into a movie weapons rental business, but I digress. The AUG is a truly excellent service rifle in my humble judgement. I base this on both Austria and Australia's long-term success with what amounts to a very mature firearm design. One of the very few short-stroke piston designs of the latter half of the Cold War, the AUG was most notable for its outstanding reliability, excellent ergonomics, simplicity of design, and adequate accuracy despite a Quick-Change Barrel system that increased modularity while facilitating weapon's clearance drills and Gas System/Bore maintenance. The only real shortcomings of the 1st Generation AUG are the non-ambidextrous operation without a Left-Hand Bolt Assembly, the lack of modularity for optics selection and the absence of rail space for Lights, Lasers, and other weapon enhancements. All of these shortcomings have long since been addressed in the AUG M3 variant. Despite the more modern options, I remain a huge fan of the Steyr AUG and would not feel inadequately armed were I to be equipped with one in harm's way. The AUG was decades ahead of its time in terms of design and materials back in 1977 and it remains state of the art today...
E.T.A: Accessories such as the Corvus Defensio-manufactured Ejection-Port Protector and Casing Deflector help to improve the classics as well as the modern iterations of the Steyr AUG. The Casing Deflector eliminates the requirement for a Left-Hand Bolt and the Ejection-Port Protector prevents damage to the Polymer edges of the Ejection-Port should a casing fail to fully eject.
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The legion in my town doesn’t even lock the door. They are often rented out by groups for events or private parties with a bunch of people coming and going and using the hall upstairs. The main floor is a bar with a regular schedule. No display room or anything like a museum
Well, the CFO does do a pre-approval inspection of the premises and they will look at security. A monitored alarm is required.
This I will need to see in person. To me it looks like the thing would eject the spent casing right into my chin.
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"Electronic alarm" is how the requirement is stated. And generally a secure location. But none of those other things
