You are more than welcome. I had to use Arken EPL4 4-16x i had laying around, since the proper scope didn't come in yet
, but it turned out ok
The IWI Carmel: Initial Thoughts and Observations **Range Report added on post #48**
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, but it turned out ok
Thanks for the reply!You are more than welcome. I had to use Arken EPL4 4-16x i had laying around, since the proper scope didn't come in yet
Im going to put a long range scope on mine when it arrives and see what kinda groups I can produce!
Ill update this thread once mine arrives
Thanks for posting your results. Looks like it can keep 10 rounds of certain 77gr ammo inside 2moa which means with an appropriate optic it can be effective to 600ish yards. Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
I'll be doing the same. It's my standard carbine testing to see what kind of optic it gets (red dot + magnifier, LPVO or MPVO). I have a feeling I'll be putting a Razor 1-10 on this rifle.
As i said, this is just my assumption and observation at this point just looking at how most of the high end 77 grain loads performed, not a statement. faster twist should favor higher grain bullets, but all SMKs didn't shoot as well as 69gr loads or below. might be something else as well. Im just sharing the data i got, nothing more. You are free to interpret it as you would like
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You are welcome. In terms of accuracy, before doing this, to set the expectations lol, i watched several video from people in USA testing wide range of high end AR-15's for accuracy including rifles with Criterion, Daniel Defense, geissele and other high end builds, which simply shown that 1.5-2.5 moa is pretty much norm for an even very quality built AR. so those results i would personally take as quite acceptable considering this is a bone stock rifle with a pretty heavy trigger. Here are the links in case anyone is interested:
Ill take to to 200 and 300 meters next time with the best loads it likes and will provide an update
Yeah, absolutely and you are welcome. I will be trying about 5 other loads i didn't have before, then will summarize and provide the best 5 i have found that work in my rifle at least with all the relevant data at 100/200 and 300 meters
People have strange/unrealistic expectations of precision for rack grade rifles. If memory serves, acceptable precision for an M4 is 4moa with M855. No one is getting consistent 1moa groupings with statistically significant groups (ie 10rnds) unless they are running match ammo in a very nice match barrel, great trigger and a skilled shooter. Most quality ARs these days will shoot about like the results Spectrality got in the Carmel, ie +/- 2 moa with match ammo, allowing for individual variances in rifles. Given that I'd expect a higher baseline level of precision from an AR (because they are DI) the level of precision we're seeing here is totally acceptable. 2moa over 10 rounds with heavy match ammo means that you can (with an appropriate optic) effectively engage targets out to 600y/m.
Just picked up the following loads, will try to get some data on those in the next couple of days. This time i will shoot one 10 round group for each type. this is more accurate representation of the real world i would say and also a good check of the ammo consistency (if any lol)
| Barnes 69gr JHP BT |
| Federal American Eagle 62gr FMJ BT |
| Federal American Eagle 75gr TMJ |
| Hornady American Gunner 55gr HP |
| Hornady Black 62gr FMJ |
| Hornady Frontier 68gr BTHP 5.56 |
| Hornady Frontier 75gr BTHP 5.56 |
| Remington Premier Match 69gr BTHP |
| S&B Precision Rifle 69gr HPBT |
| Winchester M193 55gr FMJ |
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Mine should be in next Wednesday. I am going to toss a budget Primary Arms GLx on it and go see how it feels. Maybe after the holidays I will get a new LPVO to toss on it, or just a simple magnifier. Overall it seems like a great rifle (compared to what we have access to)
The correct answer is BOTH.
