The IWI Carmel: Initial Thoughts and Observations **Range Report added on post #48**

[Sniffer]

With mine, an X95, off my elbows with an 4x ACOG I could keep three, 10 round magazines into 6” at 200 yards with bulk M193, PMC…shooting “rapid”.

Off a rest with bulk M193, PMC I could keep 10 rounds into 2.5-3” at 100 yards….one or two of those rounds would open up an 1.5” group average into said 2.5”-3”…always had a few “fliers”. Gun would shoot fine until about 50 rounds, going very rapid then it’s open up a lot past 100 yards but it also cooled down fast.

The Carmel is shooting, by most reviews, 3”-5” 100 yard groups with GOOD ammo…so hopefully it’s the shooters, not the gun!

Hopefully, but those results sure ain't great.

 

[NSS]

With mine, an X95, off my elbows with an 4x ACOG I could keep three, 10 round magazines into 6” at 200 yards with bulk M193, PMC…shooting “rapid”.

Off a rest with bulk M193, PMC I could keep 10 rounds into 2.5-3” at 100 yards….one or two of those rounds would open up an 1.5” group average into said 2.5”-3”…always had a few “fliers”. Gun would shoot fine until about 50 rounds, going very rapid then it’s open up a lot past 100 yards but it also cooled down fast.

The Carmel is shooting, by most reviews, 3”-5” 100 yard groups with GOOD ammo…so hopefully it’s the shooters, not the gun!

Between the free floated barrel and better trigger it's hard to believe that the x95 would out shoot the Carmel!

 

[Sniffer]

Between the free floated barrel and better trigger it's hard to believe that the x95 would out shoot the Carmel!

I agree on the free floated barrel (I know the X95 doesn't have free floated and I am assuming that the Carmel does) but honestly the stock trigger in the X95 wasn't terrible.

I upgraded to the Geissele and it could be argued the expense wasn't worth it (point being the Geissele is a better trigger no doubt but the expense isn't worth the marginal gains).

Now compare that to the previous TAR-21 Tavor trigger which I understand was horrific. I sold my X95 standard trigger pack and from memory it was a guy upgrading his TAR-21.

 

[bcbravo2zero]

I have a hard time believing the gun is that inaccurate

 

[Master-G]

I have a hard time believing the gun is that inaccurate

In my range test I shot a 1.8MOA and a 1.4MOA five round group at 100m with S&B 69 gr. ammo…that’s plenty accurate for me.

 

[Deathrawt]

These guns, nor the Makasi is gonna shoot little tiny groups
Kinda funny how lots of people think these should shoot like a precision rifle lol

 

[Stevo]

What’s the twist rate on the Carmel?

I saw X95s that were 3-4” with 55s tighten up to 2” with 62s.

 

[Master-G]

What’s the twist rate on the Carmel?

I saw X95s that were 3-4” with 55s tighten up to 2” with 62s.

1:7”

 

[JorkinMyBait]

These guns, nor the Makasi is gonna shoot little tiny groups
Kinda funny how lots of people think these should shoot like a precision rifle lol

Always makes me laugh. These things are designed to hit a man sized target reliably, not poke overlapping holes. Most of the people I've met with these silly obsessions can't even make a fist size grouping without the assistance of a lead sled and a shooting bench.