New Savage Center Feed Mag System for 223

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After checking the 2008 catalog, I saw that Savage was finally making a detachable mag system in 223.

The initial thought was that it would be staggered feed. Since I was getting some parts from Savage anyways, I decided to order a mag and bottom floorplate. Mag Part # is 106243 (there is only one anyways).

Package arrived today and to my utmost pleasure, the mag is CENTER FEED:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

It fits into the new standard short action bottom metal which can also be retrofitted to the new Stevens/Savage blind center feed mag actions (ensure action screw spacing).

For me, this is huge because I can now get excited about building a tactical rifle in 223 with a slick feeding center feed mag (a la AI style) AND which allows a longer OAL then common AR/Mini 14 mags allow. The present mag length is the same as the reg rifle mag. I can seat to an OAL of 2.415".

However, if you look at the pics, the mag is blocked which can be modified for longer OAL if desired. Get those 80gr Amax seated out a bit and still function smooth and slick.

I will have to look into a new gen 223 rifle when funds allow and put this det mag system in. Or I could get creative and try and splice it into the existing rifle I have.

The mag now fits 5rds and can be modified with a bit of metal working to hold more. I am hoping that the next step is for Savage to start making 10rds mags for both the 308 and 223.

I have already talked at length with their customer techs but no one higher up the food chain.

The mag release could also be lengthened easily to work easier with the extended 10rds mags. Or Savage could easily make new parts for the LE lineup.

For now, I will enjoy what there is...

Jerry

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Hi Jerry,
Does the ability to increase COL come from the fact that the magazine is blocked at the back so you can move the case back a bit in the mag?
Fred
 
Yes, that is pretty much how it works. The block is a piece of plastic that is riveted in place. Removing it will allow it to be shortened/narrowed allowing for a longer OAL of cartridge before smacking the front of the mag.

Really not that big a deal as I am running 80gr Amax over Varget at an OAL that fits in the mag. The chamber cut had a very nice short throat.

However, for those looking to seat their bullets out or run heavier bullets can do so by working on the block. I am unaware of any other manufacturer that offers this as an option.

Jerry
 
Ordered directly from Savage. $72 for floorplate. $33 for mag plus shipping $16.

So a pretty sweet price for this set up.

Now if you were going to get a new gen d mag Savage anyways, really no point.

But curiousity got the better of me and now I need to figure out a way to use this stuff.

Jerry
 
Interesting cause when I looked, I didn't see the 223 offered. Maybe a recent update. At any rate, that is a great way to go.

Where did you buy the rifle and for how much? Were they in stock?

I am hoping that ALL the stock makers will start making stocks for this mag system very soon. It is standard with Savage for the forseable future so they should tool up.

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
Interesting cause when I looked, I didn't see the 223 offered. Maybe a recent update. At any rate, that is a great way to go.

Where did you buy the rifle and for how much? Were they in stock?
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Hello Jerry:

I purchased my gun through Le Baron's mail order.

The price was $543.72 less my 10% Le Baron club card discount. I know that they had at least one in stock as I spoke to an employee who ran back to the warehouse to grab one to answer a couple of my questions.

I was for looking for something with a detachable magazine, and that is a little lighter and more maneuverable than my Model 12 FVSS in .223, and I think that this will do nicely at 6.5 lbs and a barrel length of 22".

Regards,

Chizzy
 
I have the 10FCP .308 with the detachable mag. I have to say, when I first saw pics. of the unit I thought that it looked really cheap, but seeing one in person, it is a pretty well built unit.
 
Jerry

Thats really interesting. Now (I am new to Stevens rifles) how is the retro fit done ? I assume just router out the marke area ahead of the trigger to fit and shazaaaaam its done ? Love to hear how you did it.
 
Confused

Is this magazine and floorplate supposed to retrofit the older Savage detachable box magazine or is it designed to retrofit the blind magazine rifles. I'd be pretty excited if it was....
 
I saw a 22-250 VLP with the detachable mag the other day and it looked pretty sweet. My 243 VLP has the blind mag (which I don't normally use but it is LONG. I can fit the 105 amaxes seated out to 2.777 in no problem so if the detachables are the same the will be sweet for the tac stuff
 
The easiest and possibly the least expensive in the long run is to get the new 11FCNS in 223 with the D mag.

Second is the new gen center feed blind mag Stevens or Savage (same thing). These will have a slightly different action screw spacing then those produced in 2006 and early 2007 (Yeah, confusing). For these, you just knock out the mag box and install into a new gen stock. There might be a bit of fitting to do in the rear of the action but the action screws should line up.

New gen stocks should become more readily available from B&C, Stockade, Brownells, boyds, Choate, McM and HS. Critical to ensure that the stock heights are correct as the mag is indexed off the bottom metal. Any inaccuracies in height or angle will affect how the mag feeds.

If you really want to get creative, you can do a bit of metal work on the bottom metal AND rear of the action of staggered mag (old gen) Stevens and Savage actions. These are likely the actions most everyone has right now.

I did a bit of eyeballing last night and it is possible to align the action screw holes in the bottom plate to work with these older actions. Some fitting would also be needed at the rear of the action. All of this is not particularly difficult but getting things lined up right is critical of course.

Then there would need to be the work done in the stock to make that floorplate fit. You could open up the action screw holes on a new gen stock to fit too (maybe??? then there are the usual steel pillars to deal with).

In short, can be done but not so easy unless you have the tools and skills to muck about.

All this fuss because Savage decided to move the action screw holes another 1/8" or so apart.

Jerry

PS Lefty, the 308 center feed mag will support a 2.90" OAL and will feed the improved shouldered wildcats no problem. Also, blocking is possible so something as short as a 6BR will also feed. Fun, fun, fun...
 
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Jerry

The 11FCNS has a fairly light barrel. How do you think it would shoot ? Probably a good hunting gun but to get it into precision territory would it require rebarreling ??
 
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