Would you buy this? Importers take note:

Would you buy this restricted pistol if available?

  • Yes - I've always wanted one!

    Votes: 183 37.2%

  • Nope - I pretty much have no use for one.

    Votes: 309 62.8%
  • Total voters
    492
Nester said:
Detective Ricardo Tubbs approves this thread :dancingbanana:


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ROFLMAO, :runaway:
 
I had 3 different restricted class shotguns in the past, a pump, a semi and a double barrel.

Useless yes they are, like any other collector firearms. ;)

Would i buy another restricted class shotgun today ?

Of course i would!

Useless or usefull is quite irrelevant when i buy a firearm, il like it i buy it.

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sillymike said:
Who said anything about been restricted :confused:
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The original poster did. I bolded the word just so you didn't miss it this time.

Clobbersauras said:
Ok so I posted the question regarding this type of pistol in the legalese section and the general consensus is that if this were imported from a manufacturer in the above configuration it would be restricted, not prohib. I'm not talking about chopping it down...but getting it manufactured and imported to the above specs.

I'm thinking this should be possible to get made out of a Norinco JW-2000-12 and imported as restricted....and for fairly cheap...
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Clobbersauras said:
Let me see f I can convince you.... I'm talking about defense in the home (hense my "from the bedroom to the kitchen" reference). I would not recomend that one carry this on his person outside the house. Rarely does self defence with a firearm involve any mag changes or more than a few shots...in this situation hits and reliability count.

Here's some stats I found on the net:


First, 95% of all gunfights occur when the opponents are within 0–21 feet of each other. Of these, 20% find that the opponents are 10 to 21 feet apart, 20% when the opponents are 5 to 10 feet from each other, and 55% of the time gunfire occurs when the combatants are within 5 feet of each other.

Second, a man with a knife can cover the distance of 21 feet in 1.5 seconds or less while the average time it takes to draw a handgun from a concealed location by a trained person is closer to 2.0 seconds.

Third, most gunfights transpire in low light or minimal light conditions and last between 3 and 5 seconds.

Fourth, during those 3 to 5 seconds of the gunfight only 3 or 4 shots will be fired on average and of those shots fired only 1 in 4 will strike either one of the combatants.


So - In the dead of night, awaking from your sleep and in terror, the ability to draw, aim, and fire will be severly limited. The beauty of the sawed off is the spread of the shot and the number of pellets. If you are likely to only fire a few shots in self defence I'd rather fire two shots that held sixteen projectiles, than just three or four. Also according to the above stats, if you encounter a guy in your kitchen and he is intent on doing you harm you really have only a second before he's on top of you.

Have you ever short shucked a pump shotgun? I know I have, several times, this would be disasterous in this situation....it wouldn't happen with the sawed off...also if by chance you miss the punk with your pistol, shotgun, revolver or whatever, in the ensuing struggle he could conceivably wrestle the firearm away from you, which he could then proceed to pump all the remaining rounds into your sorry carcass..this would be much less likely with a sawed off as you'll likely get both rounds off before the dude gets to you, if you miss, well, you're on your own.

Jeff Cooper - the gun guru wrote this about the double:

A lady of our acquaintance, who lives alone, has asked us what sort of instrument is best for house defense in her case. To me the answer is easy: The "Lupara," a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with exposed hammers and short barrels. I understand the term Lupara is Sicilian and means approximately "wolf killer." Such a piece is enormously authoritative, it is easy to use, it requires minimal training in its management, and it may be left loaded and uncocked indefinitely on the closet shelf. The only precaution is to seal the muzzles with scotch tape or cotton wool to avoid the building of nests in the barrels by little varmints.

Such items are available from Rossi and Baikal, though you may have to hunt around for them at gun shows. Usually they are very reasonable in price.

Sorry - if you really look at the data the old double may not be as cool as the pump but it will get the job done, efficiently and effectively....
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In todays world may I never have to resort to that level of force to defend my home and family. I certainly wouldn't want to be the defandant with your proposed import as exhibit "A".

You seem to have some misconception that buckshot shot from that sawed off abortion is different from that fired in a real shotgun. The number of projectiles are the same in either firearm.

Your stats, which may be accurate, appear to relate to police vs bad guy shootings and hold little relevance to the home defence theory that you put forward.

While Col Cooper was a great man in his service to his country and his teachings your on the wrong side of the border. Any gun with the proper training can be effective but can't streatch that one to efficient.

You say " hits and reliability count " and I agree but with that gun I call BS.

I see you've deleted your price estimation from your first posting so to reconfirm my position that poor excuse for a shotgun has no place ( for me ) on the range or in the home.

So, no you can't convince me - it's still a useless firearm.
 
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McCoy said:
I had 3 different restricted class shotguns in the past, a pump, a semi and a double barrel.

Useless yes they are, like any other collector firearms. ;)

Would i buy another restricted class shotgun today ?

Of course i would!

Useless or usefull is quite irrelevant when i buy a firearm, il like it i buy it.

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In good conscience how can you call that "thing" a collector firearm?
 
Win/64 said:
In good conscience how can you call that "thing" a collector firearm?
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Win/64, with respect, that's the wrong attitude for the CGN forum. We are steps away from a total gun ban in Toronto. You must have huge b@lls to post that view on this forum! Miller is going after all guns...yes, even the ones you like! The firearm in my first post would be fully legal if imported from the factory in that configuration. It would be sold legally to licenced owners and you have the nerve to suggest that the people who would want to own one should have a guilty conscience? Our sport is doomed with a mentality like that....
 
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REM3200 said:
In todays world may I never have to resort to that level of force to defend my home and family. I certainly wouldn't want to be the defandant with your proposed import as exhibit "A".

You seem to have some misconception that buckshot shot from that sawed off abotion is different from that fired in a real shotgun. The number of projectiles are the same in either firearm.

Your stats, which may be accurate, appear to relate to police vs bad guy shootings and hold little relevance to the home defence theory that you put forward.

While Col Cooper was a great man in his service to his country and his teachings your on the wrong side of the border. Any gun with the proper training can be effective but can't streatch that one to efficient.

You say " hits and reliability count " and I agree but with that gun I call BS.

I see you've deleted your price estimation from your first posting so to reconfirm my position that poor excuse for a shotgun has no place ( for me ) on the range or in the home.

So, no you can't convince me - it's still a useless firearm.
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Sorry Rem - I had to respond to Win64 first.

You're entitled to you opinion of course..I tried to convince you...you weren't having none of it;). I'd like to have one to run through it's paces at the range..One could only tell how usless or not it would be by testing it at the range...perhaps my thoughts would be off base, or perhaps they would be confirmed...either way I'd like to find out. It kinda irks me that some of the posters are a little closed minded, but such is life.
 
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I'd buy one for myself, come to think of it. Great way to give a one-finger salute to the antis. And, theoretically, assuming our safe storage rules are ever reformed to allow restricted to be store in a way that facilitates easy access for defence, I agree with Clobberasaurus; I think it'd make an effective bedside gun.
 
Scarecrow said:
Why dont you sign up for the coalition for gun control if you want to tell people what they should and shouldnt own gun wise.
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It has nothing to do with gun control. I just would not consider that gun as "collectable".
 
Clobbersauras said:
Win/64, with respect, that's the wrong attitude for the CGN forum. We are steps away from a total gun ban in Toronto. You must have huge b@lls to post that view on this forum! Miller is going after all guns...yes, even the ones you like! The firearm in my first post would be fully legal if imported from the factory in that configuration. It would be sold legally to licenced owners and you have the nerve to suggest that the people who would want to own one should have a guilty conscience? Our sport is doomed with a mentality like that....
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This is a bit of an overreaction. He didn't say that the gun should be banned nor did he say that people shouldn't own them. He questioned whether the gun pictured is "collectable."

Any pistol grip shotgun is generally useless and I've owned and shot them. Range-only for a shotgun is also not too appealing. I've seen the non-restricted Norinco hammer guns and they are crap. Put that package together and the sum total is a gun that is a useless piece of s**t. It's not the only gun that falls into that category but you asked our opinions about them so don't get your panties in a bunch and start accusing people of being anti-gun if those opinions don't agree with yours.
 
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