The TAVOR
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Oh I am well aware the history of the firearm.
It just seems that everything else about it is so impressive and the trigger was such a huge let down for $3000+
Don't get me wrong, I loved everything about it until you try to pull the trigger. But you can make tight groups with the Tavor, it takes a somewhat concerted effort to do so
I have also had the opportunity to handle and fire a Swiss arms and that is definitely my choice in this price range...
All I require now, is the money for that price range...
Oh I am well aware the history of the firearm.
It just seems that everything else about it is so impressive and the trigger was such a huge let down for $3000+
Don't get me wrong, I loved everything about it until you try to pull the trigger. But you can make tight groups with the Tavor, it takes a somewhat concerted effort to do so
I have also had the opportunity to handle and fire a Swiss arms and that is definitely my choice in this price range...
All I require now, is the money for that price range...
There you have it. Nice groups are achievable with some concetration and effort. The factory trigger is smashed a$$ and thus does not validate the $3000 price tag. I agree, the Swiss rifle is a far better value for the coin.
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The swiss arms is heavy 9lbs with no optic and long 39.29" and has a 1:10 twist barrel. The Tavor is 7.21lbs 28.5" long and has a 1:7 twist barrel and includes the Meprolight (however crappy) in the weight and uses cheap and easy to find mags. If SHTF I will take the tavor (with a different optic of course) into battle before I would take the heavy and long swiss arms. If I am going to be bench rested and shooting paper I will take the Swiss arms. To each their own.
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"...The triggers on the demo model felt much lighter than expected..."
As well, the mepro 21 on the demo was way more solid and held zero.
As well, there were no slam fires or doubles reported out of something like 12,000 rds with any and all types of ammo used for the caliber.
As well, there were rear tritium inserts in the BUIS
As well, i was able to shoot a 4" group with the demo only using it's optic at 194m.
i think we got a case of the first batch blues.
As well, the mepro 21 on the demo was way more solid and held zero.
As well, there were no slam fires or doubles reported out of something like 12,000 rds with any and all types of ammo used for the caliber.
As well, there were rear tritium inserts in the BUIS
As well, i was able to shoot a 4" group with the demo only using it's optic at 194m.
i think we got a case of the first batch blues.
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My mepro holds zero its just that the dot is too large for longer range shooting I can now manage to put em into a 1-1.5 inch group at 50 yards with it but at 100 I can't manage so well. My eyes aren't great but like I said the dot is too big and takes up the entire target at that range so its pretty hard to guess where you are pointing exactly. Never had a single slam fire either gone through about 1000 rounds.
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Yeah that's why i said it's just a case of the first batch blues. i have full confidence that the Q.C. will improve. The rifle has so much potential.
As for my Mepro, basically i sight thru it, then gently touch the sight, zero shifts. Ripped my barrel off and tightened everything, still the same result. i checked it against the BUIS and the dot floats off either side of the front sight, like way off. As far as i can see the springs are shot in the sight.
Oh well, still shoots great. Changed out to the Aimpoint and can shoot 6" groups at 194m consistantly.
As for my Mepro, basically i sight thru it, then gently touch the sight, zero shifts. Ripped my barrel off and tightened everything, still the same result. i checked it against the BUIS and the dot floats off either side of the front sight, like way off. As far as i can see the springs are shot in the sight.
Oh well, still shoots great. Changed out to the Aimpoint and can shoot 6" groups at 194m consistantly.
I found the trigger pull in the demo gun to be the same as that of my recently purchased Tavor ... heavy on the first pull and easier with follow up shots. I believe I was the first person to actually shoot the demo gun so my comparison is of two just 'out of the box' firearms. A great many of you received the demo gun after the trigger was quite broken in, which might help explain the difference.
Slam fires were only reported in an extremely small percentage of the rifles purchased ... CanAm can give us the exact numbers if he has them.
I never even noticed the tritium sights in the shooting I did, so the lack of them hasn't affected me.
I have had enough access to both rifles to test accuracy out to 200 yards and found no appreciable differences.
In all cases, the Mepro held zero (never heard that one before) and performed as expected for what it was, a combat sight, and not a target sight.
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Where did you get the rail to mount your aimpoint?
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".I found the trigger pull in the demo gun to be the same as that of my recently purchased Tavor ... heavy on the first pull and easier with follow up shots. I believe I was the first person to actually shoot the demo gun so my comparison is of two just 'out of the box' firearms. A great many of you received the demo gun after the trigger was quite broken in, which might help explain the difference."
Hmmm, never actually commented on the trigger. But it does make a lot of sense, after 12000rds alot of things get broken in.
"Slam fires were only reported in an extremely small percentage of the rifles purchased ... CanAm can give us the exact numbers if he has them."
Yes, the stats are way low, but on the demo they were zero.
"I never even noticed the tritium sights in the shooting I did, so the lack of them hasn't affected me."
Ok. Still a diff between the demo and the production model. i'm not saying it's bad or good, just different.
"I have had enough access to both rifles to test accuracy out to 200 yards and found no appreciable differences."
With properly performing optics i completely agree with you.
"In all cases, the Mepro held zero (never heard that one before) and performed as expected for what it was, a combat sight, and not a target sight."
Yes, you are correct the Mepro is a combat sight, i said nothing less, but to hit a shotgun pattern that measures in the neighbourhood of 36" at 200 is unacceptable in any firearm. Especially compared to the demo.
But i will say it again, there are a few hiccups which i suspect will be cleaned up on the next batch that comes.
As for the rail, i used a ARMS AR-10 rail i think 36-E, modified with a ARMS number 5 on top to gain the height needed to mount the Aimpoint.
Hmmm, never actually commented on the trigger. But it does make a lot of sense, after 12000rds alot of things get broken in.
"Slam fires were only reported in an extremely small percentage of the rifles purchased ... CanAm can give us the exact numbers if he has them."
Yes, the stats are way low, but on the demo they were zero.
"I never even noticed the tritium sights in the shooting I did, so the lack of them hasn't affected me."
Ok. Still a diff between the demo and the production model. i'm not saying it's bad or good, just different.
"I have had enough access to both rifles to test accuracy out to 200 yards and found no appreciable differences."
With properly performing optics i completely agree with you.
"In all cases, the Mepro held zero (never heard that one before) and performed as expected for what it was, a combat sight, and not a target sight."
Yes, you are correct the Mepro is a combat sight, i said nothing less, but to hit a shotgun pattern that measures in the neighbourhood of 36" at 200 is unacceptable in any firearm. Especially compared to the demo.
But i will say it again, there are a few hiccups which i suspect will be cleaned up on the next batch that comes.
As for the rail, i used a ARMS AR-10 rail i think 36-E, modified with a ARMS number 5 on top to gain the height needed to mount the Aimpoint.
Dude in GP, the demo was a sample of one rifle ...
In a larger sample you will expect problems to creep in with some rifles, at least. I don't think it reasonable to suggest that the sample was somehow different because of that.
I suspect that the problem rate is about 1% which is quite low. I recall reading that the problem even went away on its own in one case.
A 36" 'pattern' at 200 yards certainly sounds unusual, have you spoken to or emailed CanAm about your Mepro?
I guess the point I'm making is that the demo gun seemed quite representative of the product we eventually got, with only a very few exceptions.
In a larger sample you will expect problems to creep in with some rifles, at least. I don't think it reasonable to suggest that the sample was somehow different because of that.
I suspect that the problem rate is about 1% which is quite low. I recall reading that the problem even went away on its own in one case.
A 36" 'pattern' at 200 yards certainly sounds unusual, have you spoken to or emailed CanAm about your Mepro?
I guess the point I'm making is that the demo gun seemed quite representative of the product we eventually got, with only a very few exceptions.
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People who want a nice trigger can go buy an AR with match trigger or something else. I do not understand WHY people complain about trigger of a combat rifle - it is designed that way. Take it or leave it. I heard people complain about TP9 and FS2000, I fire them just fine, and I have small hands too.
I would much prefer if the TAVOR can come without the Mepro21 and sold at 600 bucks less. Kyle arms or whoever can come up with a much better mount for attaching Aimpoint or ACOG.
I would much prefer if the TAVOR can come without the Mepro21 and sold at 600 bucks less. Kyle arms or whoever can come up with a much better mount for attaching Aimpoint or ACOG.
The FS2000 trigger (that I have) is around 10.25 pounds.
My Colt AR is around the same at just over 10 pounds.
My two Sigs (Target Special and carbine) are both dead on 7 pounds.
My competition rig with a Gieslle trigger is dead on 5.25 pounds
I would imagine the trigger on the Tavor is around the 10 pound mark? Makes a good excuse for so-so groups.
My Colt AR is around the same at just over 10 pounds.
My two Sigs (Target Special and carbine) are both dead on 7 pounds.
My competition rig with a Gieslle trigger is dead on 5.25 pounds
I would imagine the trigger on the Tavor is around the 10 pound mark? Makes a good excuse for so-so groups.
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I'm gonna get spanked for this
But the Norc Type 97 has a good trigger (a little long) but it's not bad at all....and it's employed as an INFANTRY COMBAT RIFLE (Type 97 is used by Cambodia and Shri Lanka...QBZ95 cousin used by China)....see my Tavor Vs 97 thread for more details on accuracy potential....
.....P.S. Did I mention Can Am is brining them in for $849....
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