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260 Remington
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I know guys who have hunted for as long as you and dont know what grain or style their ammo is, or what model their 30-06 is. Age doesn't always go hand in hand with knowledge. But that's ok, we're never too old to learn
Velocity is important. It gets the bullet out of the muzzle and towards the target. If there is enough velocity, it makes bullets 'mushroom' when they hit stuff. If there is too much velocity, sometimes it makes them 'mushroom' too much, which with some fragile bullets will make them fail to penetrate very much.
How much velocity is needed depends on what the shooters needs are. In terms of trajectory, 2200 fps will get you to 200 yards no problem with little need to compensate for bullet drop. 2600 fps to 250 yards with no more than 3" of drop. 3000 fps will get almost 300 yards. 3400 fps gets 330 yards before it'll drop 3" from line of sight. Even with the fast ones, you need to know the range and where your bullet will hit at that range, in order to make a good hit. Flat trajectory is nice, but in todays age of laser rangefinders and ballistic reticles and/or elevation turrets, it's not very important anymore.
If the bullet has sufficient velocity on impact to expand, and has the construction to hold together to penetrate the vitals, then it doesn't really matter if it lands with 2400 fps or 2700 fps.
This really isn't that complex. A 257 Weatherby Magnum has about a 300 fps edge over a 260 Remington, Similar to what a 300 Winchester Magnum has over a 308 Winchester. All of these cartridges kill game, some of them do it more efficiently than others, some of them erode the throats on the barrel, some of them are chambered in longer, heavier rifles, some in shorter, lighter rifles. They all work.
It all boils down to putting a good bullet in the vitals from a sufficient caliber. Like I said before, I'll put bets on a good shooter with a 308 (or 260) outshooting a poor shot with a 300 Ultra Mag (or a 257 Wby Mag) when it comes down to hitting a target at long range.
here's a video you can watch. Even though it is not that long of a shot, 340 yards, it goes to show that you can make consistent hits with a bullet exiting the muzzle at 2750 fps. If I was shooting a 257 Wby, I'd have to do everything the same except make four less clicks of elevation
I hope this clarifies your question as to how velocity can be important in shooting guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Bh-ZuIN50
Thanks! Im a newbie to many of these technicalities. I have to admit I just went to CTire and bought 160 grain 30-06 and #5 20 guage and 12 guage. More knowledge as acquired on this board has proven useful. Would you use a range finder in the field and adjust your scope? You have made a good point. Within 200 yards my .308 and my 300 win mag shoot almost equally well on the range. The win mag on the range is like being mated by a prize bull after a few. All of my hunting shots are within 200 yards so it seems odd I purchased a few guns with higher velocities. Can you tell me what sort of bullets would be more likely to fall apart? Would the 257 weatherby mag "partition" bullets be more likely?
Im a newbie to many of these technicalities. I have to admit I just went to CTire and bought 160 grain 30-06 and #5 20 guage and 12 guage. More knowledge as acquired on this board has proven useful. Would you use a range finder in the field and adjust your scope? You have made a good point. Within 200 yards my .308 and my 300 win mag shoot almost equally well on the range. The win mag on the range is like being mated by a prize bull after a few. All of my hunting shots are within 200 yards so it seems odd I purchased a few guns with higher velocities. Can you tell me what sort of bullets would be more likely to fall apart? Would the 257 weatherby mag "partition" bullets be more likely?
I know guys who have hunted for as long as you and dont know what grain or style their ammo is, or what model their 30-06 is. Age doesn't always go hand in hand with knowledge. But that's ok, we're never too old to learn
Velocity is important. It gets the bullet out of the muzzle and towards the target. If there is enough velocity, it makes bullets 'mushroom' when they hit stuff. If there is too much velocity, sometimes it makes them 'mushroom' too much, which with some fragile bullets will make them fail to penetrate very much.
How much velocity is needed depends on what the shooters needs are. In terms of trajectory, 2200 fps will get you to 200 yards no problem with little need to compensate for bullet drop. 2600 fps to 250 yards with no more than 3" of drop. 3000 fps will get almost 300 yards. 3400 fps gets 330 yards before it'll drop 3" from line of sight. Even with the fast ones, you need to know the range and where your bullet will hit at that range, in order to make a good hit. Flat trajectory is nice, but in todays age of laser rangefinders and ballistic reticles and/or elevation turrets, it's not very important anymore.
If the bullet has sufficient velocity on impact to expand, and has the construction to hold together to penetrate the vitals, then it doesn't really matter if it lands with 2400 fps or 2700 fps.
This really isn't that complex. A 257 Weatherby Magnum has about a 300 fps edge over a 260 Remington, Similar to what a 300 Winchester Magnum has over a 308 Winchester. All of these cartridges kill game, some of them do it more efficiently than others, some of them erode the throats on the barrel, some of them are chambered in longer, heavier rifles, some in shorter, lighter rifles. They all work.
It all boils down to putting a good bullet in the vitals from a sufficient caliber. Like I said before, I'll put bets on a good shooter with a 308 (or 260) outshooting a poor shot with a 300 Ultra Mag (or a 257 Wby Mag) when it comes down to hitting a target at long range.
here's a video you can watch. Even though it is not that long of a shot, 340 yards, it goes to show that you can make consistent hits with a bullet exiting the muzzle at 2750 fps. If I was shooting a 257 Wby, I'd have to do everything the same except make four less clicks of elevation
I hope this clarifies your question as to how velocity can be important in shooting guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Bh-ZuIN50
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DirtyOldSix
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- Durbanville, South Africa
Great thread. My next rifle will be in 260 Remington. Unfortunately the response I get most of the time at gunshops: "we dont have chamber reamer in 260" "It will have to be a special import"
This is the best calibre EVER for anything up to kudu!
This is the best calibre EVER for anything up to kudu!
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Who pissed in your corn flakes mackillan? Seems everytime I read something from you it's either negative, misinformed, or defensive. To be clear, I'm not attacking you here, just confused, and hope tom objectively point out if you continue blowing your top over trivial things you're not going to last long here. Bartell was right, by the way, velocity is only one concern. Efficiency, ballistics, and intrinsic accuracy are all just was important. Perhaps, as a 12, 20, and .30-06 hunter this is lost on you.
currently Tikka, Sako, Kimber, and Remington. At some point in time Savage, Browning, and Ruger have also chambered rifles in 260 Remington.
Of course your gonna say he's the "master" - he has pictures of you in a TuTu!!
Gatehouse wasn't lying, todbaretll truly is a GOD, and the .260 is the greatest cartridge ever, better than the 338 federal, better than any rsaum, and better then the 375 ruger
How about adequate mass of projectiles, that carry extremely high sectional densities, coupled with the somewhat magical 2800ish velocity, all the while delivering a flat enough trajectoryfor 90% of what is ever hunted in N. America, and recoil light enough to make it a decidedly better choice for beginners, or folks needing light recoil.
Take your pick....... for hunting deer, they're all more or less, about the same.
243
6mmRem
250Savage
257Roberts
25/06
257W
260
6.5x55
6.5x57
6.5/06
270Win
270WSM
7x57
7/08
280Rem
284Win
.308Win
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My heart is deeply saddened to see my little 7 in the same group as a 6mil.
Paul, you've crossed the line. Tomorrow, bike rack at 3pm.
The 260 is as Dr. Bartell has so gracefully shown, a great cartridge in a compact package. Pretty much the 6,5 Swede reborn. They could have used the 55 Swede case but the loads would have to be held back in case they got tossed in a Norske Krag and blew someone's simple little block off. Same with the 7-08 and 7x57 scenario.
I think Im starting to see it. Ive talked to people in real life that has them and they claim it it is the right combination that explains why it works. Recoil is certainly an issue with the 7MM Mg and 300 win mag in the Tikka T3.
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See what I told you about bartell? He's always right. 
Flat enough trajectory and beginners sounds ok but nuttin special.
