What a crappy pistol...

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joe-nwt said:
Ok, gotcha. But I didn't say the government couldn't dictate to me, I said you couldn't!:ninja::D

I thought we were having a good ol' fashioned "What caliber is better" arguement and you had to go all.......political on us.:slap:

I was wr.....wr.....mistaken.:D
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I'm not dictating what anyone should or should not have. Good, bad, or indifferent if it floats your boat buy it. Its not my money. I'm simply stating my opinion that such accessories fill no real purpose other than as a giggle toy which in my eyes puts it near the bottom of the list of "would like to have" items.

TDC
 
af_newbie said:
Who would want to fire 1000 rounds like this?
Strings of 10, ok, I understand, but this?

What is the point?

Glock is the best carry gun there is. Very accurate to 25 yards.
After that is a rifle territory.
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LOL I know... it's like saying... well the new Toyota Echo will burn up if you keep the accellerator to the mat for one hour if we put a super large gas tank to keep it going longer...

If the pistol started to melt at 1000 rounds... can you blame it? Which practical use would you require 1000 pistol rounds... how would you carry that amount of ammo... apart from zombies, lol.

Pointless......
 
TDC said:
I'm not saying don't get one, feel free to run what you will. My point is that from a logical and practical side of the shooting community the cartridge is a waste of time. I am in no way implying that impractical or "giggle" products not be available, quite the opposite. My opinion or that of anyone else has no weight in determining what should or should not be available. Restrictions of any sort need to be justified.

The anti's BS rant about the "practicality" of .25acp and .32 acp is not based on fact, its based on BS much like most of the firearms act. The comparison between their stance and mine is not equal.

Joe NWT, in the eyes of the government you're right, handguns(any guns) have no use in society. In the eyes of a free thinker who isn't governed by paper, a handgun(or rifle or shotgun) has several practical uses.

There seems to be a lot of distaste regarding my opinion. Some feel it is non of my business to dictate what they should or should not own, and rightfully so. However, I still see many blindly following laws laid out by those who feel strongly against firearms and often fail to justify their position. I also see many who constantly try to appease the anti's by not engaging in certain activities or not shooting at humanoid targets. So why the double standard??


B,
I won't get into the race gun discussion but I will tell you that in mo opinion race guns are not practical. as for posing, its very common. When an individual purchases an item without a specific goal or task in mind, its called posing. Here's a couple of examples: The guy who purchases a "performance/high end" pistol(race gun or not) and only shoots paper a few times a year slow fire from a stationary position. Same guy who buys an AR15 invests a small fortune in go-fast accessories to shoot paper from the bench. Same guy who purchases a Chinese knock off of an Aimpoint or the Bushnell red-dot that looks like an ACOG. The guy who owns a 37mm/40mm grenade launcher. What would be the reason for this? Posing. There isn't any practical purpose for the above unless you're going for looks. Nothing wrong with that, just accept that you're a poser and enjoy building look alike firearms.

TDC
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TDC,

2 questions:

1. I have an AR-15 with a Chinese knock-off Redot and after reading your posts I am going to trade it in on a $600 EOTech immediately.
Will this transform me from a poser to a non-poser?

2. Also - I have only be using my AR for Target shooting. How can I change this behavior to be more 'practical' - possibly a 9mm conversion kit?
I really want to make sure I dont have any fun (giggles) and keep it strictly practical.

Any help you can give me would be great.
 
the .50 Glock round is kinda dumb. but I'd own one for ####s and giggles. I love my .50 AE Desert Eagle, it gets me the chicks, well at least the one I live with, she loves it too.
and yes the .50 GI is an answer to a question that was never asked, nor needed to be, but then again so is .40 S&W. if you can't do it with a 9mm it ain't worth doing..........
 
Slavex said:
the .50 Glock round is kinda dumb. but I'd own one for s**ts and giggles. I love my .50 AE Desert Eagle, it gets me the chicks, well at least the one I live with, she loves it too.
and yes the .50 GI is an answer to a question that was never asked, nor needed to be, but then again so is .40 S&W. if you can't do it with a 9mm it ain't worth doing..........
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Actually, the reason for the .40 Short & Weak was because of weak-wristed FBI agents that couldn't use 10mm rounds.
 
SCDL said:
Actually, the reason for the .40 Short & Weak was because of weak-wristed FBI agents that couldn't use 10mm rounds.
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... well, that and the fact that the 1066 was a fricking huge, heavy piece to be toting around in a tailored suit. :eek: The majority of them just started carrying it in their briefcases and whatnot. Remember that the average FBI agent is more lawyer/invvestigator than street-level lawman (OK - women too), and doesn't go around looking for a gunfight. :cool:

I had some of the original-spec FBI ammo and it was certainly hot to trot...
 
Slavex said:
the .50 Glock round is kinda dumb. but I'd own one for s**ts and giggles. I love my .50 AE Desert Eagle, it gets me the chicks, well at least the one I live with, she loves it too.
and yes the .50 GI is an answer to a question that was never asked, nor needed to be, but then again so is .40 S&W. if you can't do it with a 9mm it ain't worth doing..........
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The same could be said for .50ae... if you can't do it with .44mag it ain't worth doing....... sigh.

Each caliber is something new in all aspects. I support and welcome all new calibers! Attitude like that of yours and TDC's would keep us back with cartridges even more ancient than the ones you guys currently enjoy today.
 
gregb said:
TDC,

2 questions:

1. I have an AR-15 with a Chinese knock-off Redot and after reading your posts I am going to trade it in on a $600 EOTech immediately.
Will this transform me from a poser to a non-poser?

2. Also - I have only be using my AR for Target shooting. How can I change this behavior to be more 'practical' - possibly a 9mm conversion kit?
I really want to make sure I dont have any fun (giggles) and keep it strictly practical.

Any help you can give me would be great.
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There's nothing wrong with running knock off gear, its your coin and your choice. Being a "poser" is nothing to hide from. Some folks prefer gear that works and work their gear. Others are satisfied with a range toy and save a lot of money by running a lower cost item.

My stance on knock offs and the "poser" look is the same as that of Norinco products. Enjoy your toys, but don't get out your soapbox and try selling the rest of us the BS line that your knock off kit is just as good as the real thing or that it serves a functional purpose. Its not, and it does not. There's reason why they're called knock offs.

I sense you feel offended by my poser comment. If that's the case then I guess I hit the nail on the head. I'll admit I'm a part time member of the poser club as well. I fully intend to run a cheap Tasco red dot on my 10/22. Does it offend me if someone called me a poser? Nope. I don't see the logic in spending huge coin on a red dot for a gopher gun. Would I like to run the real deal, you bet! From a practical stand point, a high dollar red dot is simply a waste of money for my intended role. However, I fully understand that when my cheap red dot fails it is time for a new one, not an excuse to whine and b*tch to the manufacturer or attempt to return it. You get what you pay for and can't expect anything else.

As for transforming your AR into something "more practical." That all depends on what you intend to do with it. Does it make sense to build an 11" AR with a Magpul PRS stock, bipod, A2 carry handle upper and slap a $50 optic on it for long range shooting? No, it doesn't. The entire setup contradicts itself. Sh*t like that is always present at the range and its sh*t like that which makes me shake my head and wonder. Is the guy a poser, or a complete retard? Mission drives the gear. Depending on your mission/intended use your gear should match. Your comment about the 9mm conversion kit is another example. How that would make your AR more practical I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps if you only had access to a range rated for handguns then a conversion would be practical. If your intended role was home defense or SHTF gear, then you're handicapping yourself with a shoulder controlled 100 yard pistol that offers zero weight savings over the original 300 yard .223/5.56mm offering. Again, your mission/intended role drives the gear.

Fun is always a key ingredient with anything an individual participates in as a hobby. Without fun, its not a hobby, its a chore.

TDC
 
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TDC said:
There's nothing wrong with running knock off gear, its your coin and your choice. Being a "poser" is nothing to hide from. Some folks prefer gear that works and work their gear. Others are satisfied with a range toy and save a lot of money by running a lower cost item.

My stance on knock offs and the "poser" look is the same as that of Norinco products. Enjoy your toys, but don't get out your soapbox and try selling the rest of us the BS line that your knock off kit is just as good as the real thing or that it serves a functional purpose. Its not, and it does not. There's reason why they're called knock offs.

I sense you feel offended by my poser comment. If that's the case then I guess I hit the nail on the head. I'll admit I'm a part time member of the poser club as well. I fully intend to run a cheap Tasco red dot on my 10/22. Does it offend me if someone called me a poser? Nope. I don't see the logic in spending huge coin on a red dot for a gopher gun. Would I like to run the real deal, you bet! From a practical stand point, a high dollar red dot is simply a waste of money for my intended role. However, I fully understand that when my cheap red dot fails it is time for a new one, not an excuse to whine and b*tch to the manufacturer or attempt to return it. You get what you pay for and can't expect anything else.

As for transforming your AR into something "more practical." That all depends on what you intend to do with it. Does it make sense to build an 11" AR with a Magpul PRS stock, bipod, A2 carry handle upper and slap a $50 optic on it for long range shooting? No, it doesn't. The entire setup contradicts itself. Sh*t like that is always present at the range and its sh*t like that which makes me shake my head and wonder. Is the guy a poser, or a complete retard? Mission drives the gear. Depending on your mission/intended use your gear should match. Your comment about the 9mm conversion kit is another example. How that would make your AR more practical I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps if you only had access to a range rated for handguns then a conversion would be practical. If your intended role was home defense or SHTF gear, then you're handicapping yourself with a shoulder controlled 100 yard pistol that offers zero weight savings over the original 300 yard .223/5.56mm offering. Again, your mission/intended role drives the gear.

Fun is always a key ingredient with anything an individual participates in as a hobby. Without fun, its not a hobby, its a chore.

TDC
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I get what your saying, I'm just using my AR as a range toy so my knock-off red dot is fine for now and I have a lot of fun with it. If I was going to hunt ( and not with my AR ) I would definitely invest in a quality optic which would make sense for that application.

I don't think you should label yourself a poser for using a less costly red dot to hunt golphers,etc, if it works for your application then great. I wouldn't consider you a poser. If you spent $3,000 on a pimped-out racegun and never used it for competition than maybe yes you could be considered a poser.

If my $50 red dot bites it, I wouldnt ##### about it. I agree, you get what you pay for.
 
Anyone who worries about what gear other fellow civilians have at a civilian range and rates them as 'posers', is an idiot that has too much time on his hands and really cares about what others have in comparison with him.

Define 'poser'. At best, all civilian AR's for the most part are 5 rounders with exception to the 10 round mags recently available.. and in semi auto only. We are limited (unless having already grandfathered) in our purchases and cannot freely use full auto. So I guess that makes most Canadian civilians 'posers'. I own a BRS99. Semi-auto, 5 rounds. I have it because it's fun. Do I give a sh*t what Judge TDC thinks about my gear? Hell no. If he thinks I'm a poser for owning such kit than that's great. He can waste his time ranting about what other people have, if that's what turns his crank.

This all stemmed from a ridiculous post by this 'TDC' guy saying how glocks are crap... because one half melted during a constant firing of 1000 rounds. It's like saying yeah... these new Nike sneakers suck, I ran 1000km without stopping and they melted... Garbage!

Get over yourself.
 
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Fry you still haven't figured it out. I don't care what you run. It has zero effect on my life. I own/run/purchase my gear based on my intended use and on practicality. The 50GI conversion does not qualify as practical nor does it fit any intended use for me. What others choose and why is their business. From my standpoint, a lot of what is being purchased is simply for giggles which is fine. There are also those who run gear/setups that are completely wrong for any purpose. Such as the AR example I posted previously. Again, it makes no difference to me.

I'm not sure if you picked up on the sarcasm in my thread title, but I'm a big fan of Glocks. The title was selected for shock value as I knew it would grab a lot of attention. There's nothing wrong with a Glock that can eat 1000 rounds in rapid succession with only a guide rod failure.

TDC
 
This thread officialy sucks.

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This will be the first thread I actually un-subscribe too. Too much whining :(
 
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TDC said:
Fry you still haven't figured it out. I don't care what you run. It has zero effect on my life. I own/run/purchase my gear based on my intended use and on practicality. The 50GI conversion does not qualify as practical nor does it fit any intended use for me. What others choose and why is their business. From my standpoint, a lot of what is being purchased is simply for giggles which is fine. There are also those who run gear/setups that are completely wrong for any purpose. Such as the AR example I posted previously. Again, it makes no difference to me.

I'm not sure if you picked up on the sarcasm in my thread title, but I'm a big fan of Glocks. The title was selected for shock value as I knew it would grab a lot of attention. There's nothing wrong with a Glock that can eat 1000 rounds in rapid succession with only a guide rod failure.

TDC
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So you don't have a single firearm that serves no "practical" purpose other than to plink and have fun?

You poor, poor, soul...........:(
 
TDC said:
Aside from my .22's everything else is more than capable of taking game, two legged or more. That sounds like a practical reason to me.

TDC
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If a gun operates properly as it should, then it has a practical use, regardless of caliber. I really hate to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure no one gives a rats @ss what you have.

The poser isn't the one with the cheap red dot... it's the one who thinks he has some sort of super cool image to keep sharp when showing all his buddies the tacticool neato gear he has. To me, that's the real 'poser'.
 
Fry said:
If a gun operates properly as it should, then it has a practical use, regardless of caliber. I really hate to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure no one gives a rats @ss what you have.

The poser isn't the one with the cheap red dot... it's the one who thinks he has some sort of super cool image to keep sharp when showing all his buddies the tacticool neato gear he has. To me, that's the real 'poser'.
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If a firearm operates as advertised, its called a quality product, its not a "practical use". If your purpose/use is sh*ts and giggles then yes, the calibre/make/model/colour/weight/and cost are no issue(s) at all. If you intend to compete in IDPA/IPSC for example and expect to do well with your Desert Eagle you're sadly mistaken and poorly equipped. Same goes for the guy using his Winchester 94 lever gun at a precision rifle match.

A cheap red dot isn't a bad thing, its economical. The problem arises when the owner of said red dot boasts that his/her low dollar and low quality optic is just as good as the high dollar high quality optics being run by others. Such blatant ignorance is what rubs me the wrong way.

As I posted earlier, the Bushnell red dot with the external appearance of an ACOG is purely a poser piece. The only reason to purchase a red dot that appears to be a magnified optic is to achieve a specific look or pose/impress others. There are other economical red dots that would do the job and don't replicate an ACOG. This is just one example of many.

If you're implying that I have or need to maintain some sort of super cool image you would be sadly mistaken. I shoot what I do because it serves my purpose. What others may think about my gear or my setup is a non issue. In the event their opinions did matter, I can articulate and explain with logic why my gear is setup the way it is. None of my gear is setup to achieve an image or impress with looks. I'm impressed with my gear or that of others when it performs in the role it was designed for.

TDC
 
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