IDPA Will it get you killed?
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Steve David
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Sort of like building a race gun........!
That's an easy one. Billy the Kid, because he wouldn't stand there like an IDPA guy and wait for the beep, he'd dry-gulch his opponent and go collect the reward.New debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Billy the Kid vs T.G.O. both using the same gear and using their claim to fame
Black badge
Black badge means
I-P-S-C
C-E-R-T-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N
So you have completed the Black Badge course which is prerequisite to participating in IPSC Canada sanctioned matches? or you mean you have a Badge that is black in color and you participate in IDPA and/or IPSC sanctioned matches??
Black badge means
I-P-S-C
C-E-R-T-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N
O-K-A-Y,
I am sure you are very proficient.
I saw IPSC Black badge on a local guys website,...he is a K9 handler/ trainer. He used it as a list for accomplishments. He never shot more than one match...(if that). That being said,..you completed the black introduction,..which is great.
Actually it means.
IPSC CANADA CERTIFICATION..
Remember .. the "Black Badge" is a Canadian Thing..
How many Non-Canadian IPSC members can come shoot a match with no "formal training"??? .........Anyone as long as you pay your dues to your IPSC region.
being an IPSC shooter in the broader sense does not always indicate any level of certification or competencies. (Even with training, some just aren't competent , but thats a different argument )
IPSC CANADA CERTIFICATION..
Remember .. the "Black Badge" is a Canadian Thing..
How many Non-Canadian IPSC members can come shoot a match with no "formal training"??? .........Anyone as long as you pay your dues to your IPSC region.
being an IPSC shooter in the broader sense does not always indicate any level of certification or competencies.
(Even with training, some just aren't competent , but thats a different argument )Actually it means.
IPSC CANADA CERTIFICATION..
Remember .. the "Black Badge" is a Canadian Thing..
How many Non-Canadian IPSC members can come shoot a match with no "formal training"??? .........Anyone as long as you pay your dues to your IPSC region.
being an IPSC shooter in the broader sense does not always indicate any level of certification or competencies.
***and I am finished,...I self impose no more postings on this,..done,...gone,...no-no. (after my next post,..I lied LOL)
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Aha !
Incompetence WILL get you killed (along with PPC IPSC IDPA COWBOY ETC. non-cqb competition game tecniques)
Gun game disciplines will make you a better shooter - no question about that.The problem is that muscle memory is difficult to stop - thats what gets you killed. - Just watch all the IPSC shooters in an IDPA match that speed drop their partial mags and lose points ! [yeah I did it too]
Or shoot the targets in speed succession instead of threat succession and lose points ! [yeah I did it too]
Muscle memory at work. And in a real gunfight the pressure is even greater.
Thats why I gave up all gun games for many years until I didnt have to see the elephant anymore.
Then I went back to shooting IPSC AND IDPA matches for fun and they are very challenging and a lot of fun - trouble is - you need a young body for all that running ! I cant win any matches any more because of the arthritis, but its not about winning - its about sport !
CQB is about survival.
Actually it means.
IPSC CANADA CERTIFICATION..
Remember .. the "Black Badge" is a Canadian Thing..
How many Non-Canadian IPSC members can come shoot a match with no "formal training"??? .........Anyone as long as you pay your dues to your IPSC region.
being an IPSC shooter in the broader sense does not always indicate any level of certification or competencies.
Incompetence WILL get you killed (along with PPC IPSC IDPA COWBOY ETC. non-cqb competition game tecniques)
Gun game disciplines will make you a better shooter - no question about that.The problem is that muscle memory is difficult to stop - thats what gets you killed. - Just watch all the IPSC shooters in an IDPA match that speed drop their partial mags and lose points ! [yeah I did it too]
Or shoot the targets in speed succession instead of threat succession and lose points ! [yeah I did it too]
Muscle memory at work. And in a real gunfight the pressure is even greater.
Thats why I gave up all gun games for many years until I didnt have to see the elephant anymore.
Then I went back to shooting IPSC AND IDPA matches for fun and they are very challenging and a lot of fun - trouble is - you need a young body for all that running ! I cant win any matches any more because of the arthritis, but its not about winning - its about sport !
CQB is about survival.
Not much running in IDPA. Longest would be 10 yards and those are rare.
" but its not about winning - its about sport !"
It takes many blows to fell an ox! That is what everyone here has been saying from page one. IDPA is a sport.
Take Care
Bob
" but its not about winning - its about sport !"
It takes many blows to fell an ox! That is what everyone here has been saying from page one. IDPA is a sport.
Take Care
Bob
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
When we set up a course of fire, we try to add as many walls, barricades, corners to manipulate as possible and anyone who has attended a shoot at with us can attest to the fact that we really make our stages a realistic as we can. We also have a full size car simulator do use and lots and lots of props, we also incorporate moving targets and we encourage movement while shooting, lots of it, out in the open shooting and getting to cover ASAP. We also on several occasion have set up targets out to 25 yards as is encouraged in the IDPA rule book. As much fun as possible, that is our objective.
Incompetence WILL get you killed (along with PPC IPSC IDPA COWBOY ETC. non-cqb competition game tecniques)
Gun game disciplines will make you a better shooter - no question about that.
Muscle memory at work. And in a real gunfight the pressure is even greater.Your correct,..but so is the will to live.
Thats why I gave up all gun games for many years until I didnt have to see the elephant anymore.
Then I went back to shooting IPSC AND IDPA matches for fun and they are very challenging and a lot of fun - trouble is - you need a young body for all that running ! I cant win any matches any more because of the arthritis, but its not about winning - its about sport !
CQB is about survival.
Ok,..I have to say,..you must have been the first person shooting IDPA or CDP in Canada. You said you gave it up
,..but then you went back. I have a reconstructed ACL (still a bad knee) and some arthitis,..a thumb joint that will never properly heal from a boxing injury,...a trigger hand knuckle that dislocated and jumps out of place when I am shooting,...a big fat gut, an ankle that broke a couple of years ago that requires me to wear footwear with good ankle support as it is weaker, a torn muscle in my shoulder that will probably never completely heal, and less than one year ago I had laser eye surgery to repair Astigmatism that previously was not operable. I also juggle career,..and watching a 20 month old (my son) on my days off and I have two teenagers. Yet I still shoot ok,..and find time to do it. I am not the fastest runner,...but if it was all about running I still would not stop shooting. I find people make up excuses to not participate,...especially if they are overwhelmed by the level of the higher end shooters. My message to you is,... take some aspirin and go to your next IPSC or IDPA match. Shooting is just one part of it (as you know),...there is also seeing old friends,..meeting new people,..trying out new stuff,..and pushing the envelope with your shooting skills. I hope you do. CHEERS
BEEP........
I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make.. everywhere seems to agree that xDPA and IPSC are sports, and that Self Defense is Self Defense.
I'm sure NFL players have problems when the come to the CFL.. rules are different and it takes time to gets used to new ones. I don't think anyone would disagree.
The fact still remains that any trigger time regardless of the sport, is better then nothing. At least with IPSC I've learned to run away faster when the time is needed
Oh man, I'll probably regret this but what the hell.
I practiced martial arts for many years. Kata, Kumite, endless drills and testing...it was all very formal and there were many rules. It looked great and we did a lot of yelling. Then came a day when I was forced very suddenly to really defend myself. When it happened it was totally unexpected, but the techniques I had learned over the years all worked very well, though not at all in the stylized and aesthetic way in which I had learned them, and I ended up safe at home with no injuries to me or any of my friends. Funny thing was, the instant the crap hit the fan all formality and rule structure evaporated and I just did...automatically...whatever I needed to to in a very fluid situation to not get my head kicked in by a psychopath who was much larger than me and not feeling pain the way I had been taught that he should.
Unlike my classes, it certainly wasn't pretty or elegant and I didn't even get to yell. But whatever happened just seemed natural to me. It did not involve the use of weaponry, true, but I think the concept is basically the same. I felt that my safety was under severe threat and acted accordingly.
I think that all skills...shooting, martial art, visual arts (my case), driving, negotiation, whatever...are transferable to other situations in life and people who tend to function "in the moment" can usually adapt on the fly to whatever is happening as it happens. The danger comes when we let or even expect the process of skills development to default to the level of habituated response. Habit will sink you in competition or in real life. When I hear the term "muscle memory" I think of programmed automated responses (muscles don't have memory) or habits. Forging neuromuscular pathways however (like we do when we learn to walk) lets us use our skills in the most efficient way possible in a given situation. Example: On our way to the fridge for a beer we see the last slice of pizza sitting on the counter and we suddenly decide to change direction...and we simply do it. Voila;a practical and fluid application of a learned skill.
Right. I'll shut up now.
I practiced martial arts for many years. Kata, Kumite, endless drills and testing...it was all very formal and there were many rules. It looked great and we did a lot of yelling. Then came a day when I was forced very suddenly to really defend myself. When it happened it was totally unexpected, but the techniques I had learned over the years all worked very well, though not at all in the stylized and aesthetic way in which I had learned them, and I ended up safe at home with no injuries to me or any of my friends. Funny thing was, the instant the crap hit the fan all formality and rule structure evaporated and I just did...automatically...whatever I needed to to in a very fluid situation to not get my head kicked in by a psychopath who was much larger than me and not feeling pain the way I had been taught that he should.
Unlike my classes, it certainly wasn't pretty or elegant and I didn't even get to yell. But whatever happened just seemed natural to me. It did not involve the use of weaponry, true, but I think the concept is basically the same. I felt that my safety was under severe threat and acted accordingly.
I think that all skills...shooting, martial art, visual arts (my case), driving, negotiation, whatever...are transferable to other situations in life and people who tend to function "in the moment" can usually adapt on the fly to whatever is happening as it happens. The danger comes when we let or even expect the process of skills development to default to the level of habituated response. Habit will sink you in competition or in real life. When I hear the term "muscle memory" I think of programmed automated responses (muscles don't have memory) or habits. Forging neuromuscular pathways however (like we do when we learn to walk) lets us use our skills in the most efficient way possible in a given situation. Example: On our way to the fridge for a beer we see the last slice of pizza sitting on the counter and we suddenly decide to change direction...and we simply do it. Voila;a practical and fluid application of a learned skill.
Right. I'll shut up now.
Ok,..I have to say,..you must have been the first person shooting IDPA or CDP in Canada. You said you gave it up
My message to you is,... take some aspirin and go to your next IPSC or IDPA match. Shooting is just one part of it (as you know),...there is also seeing old friends,..meeting new people,..trying out new stuff,..and pushing the envelope with your shooting skills. I hope you do. CHEERS
I'm crippled now - aspirin wont help. But I'm not crippled enough to to organize and direct matches , shoot matches {not competitively} seeing old friends meeting new ones etc. etc.
Your right its all about fun - not survival
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