PPSh 41 build--Shotgun News
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Coldsteel Solutions has come up before on mg42.us, we have considered their stampings. To put it politely, those that have purchased their stampings have described them as if having been dragged behind a car for the past few years lol. I don't want to bash the company, but after their original dyes were stolen, quality just hasn't been the same. That is if you were considering any of their blanks. Maybe you can contact them for information though?
By the way, does anybody know the legalities of receiver blanks? Not 80%'s, just the raw stampings.
By the way, does anybody know the legalities of receiver blanks? Not 80%'s, just the raw stampings.
the metal on the shroud is pretty thick not easy to form my dewatt measures 0.121 thick its stamped flat punched out then bent (so it appears)
PLUS the muzzel end is a brake the very end of the muzzel is welded on as is the barrel support near the muzzel
PLUS the muzzel end is a brake the very end of the muzzel is welded on as is the barrel support near the muzzel
I have a book showing the manufacturing of PPSh and that is exactly how they are punched out.
So, if the problem lies in the making of a new upper receiver for the PPSh41 to have it registered, the worst to do is to make the half that goes from the barrel/trunnion to half way towards the stock, stopping in the middle of the first hole of the barrel shroud. Because some fellow in the USA sells that rear receiver section. I guess it would not be considered as a receiver as it is just half of one. No serial number figures on it.
So he might just sell them too or take new orders as he already has made a few so making a few more ...
Anyway it looks like this:
If it may be useful, just ask here and I'll gladly post the nickname of the guy and the forum where to find him.
So he might just sell them too or take new orders as he already has made a few so making a few more ...
Anyway it looks like this:
If it may be useful, just ask here and I'll gladly post the nickname of the guy and the forum where to find him.
THAT is what I was afraid of.
Because the PPD doesnt appear in tens of thousands of historic photos from the Great Patriotic War
Instant recognition is everything
And all this discussion about wall thickness of the reciever....wouldnt one accept thinner wall stuff under the assumption its a 'civy' gun that just isnt gonna get the abuse of a military full auto???
For every photo of a PPD in Soviet service, there are likely a hundred with PPShs. The PPSh is certainly one of the classics.
If inside dimensions were OK, only the fit of the rear receiver cap would be affected by use of thinner steel. Strength would likely not be an issue.
Look at the photos posted by J. Savoie - the area where the barrel block would go, and the hinge pin/barrel retainer fits. The barrel shroud flares down into that area. The barrel jacket portion is neither round nor square. Has flattened sides, with well radiused corners. I am sure that one could be fabricated, but it wouldn't be easy. Perhaps some tubing could be pressed to flatten the sides. The Yugo 49 looks like a PPSh with a tubular barrel jacket.
If a male plug were made, and a simple die, steel could be pressed into shape, then formed around the male plug to close the bottom of the jacket. It could be done, but the tooling would have to be prepared. Or, perhaps the shroud could be formed in sections welded together. I would hate to think about whittling the parts out of solid, like the rear sections in the photos.
If inside dimensions were OK, only the fit of the rear receiver cap would be affected by use of thinner steel. Strength would likely not be an issue.
Look at the photos posted by J. Savoie - the area where the barrel block would go, and the hinge pin/barrel retainer fits. The barrel shroud flares down into that area. The barrel jacket portion is neither round nor square. Has flattened sides, with well radiused corners. I am sure that one could be fabricated, but it wouldn't be easy. Perhaps some tubing could be pressed to flatten the sides. The Yugo 49 looks like a PPSh with a tubular barrel jacket.
If a male plug were made, and a simple die, steel could be pressed into shape, then formed around the male plug to close the bottom of the jacket. It could be done, but the tooling would have to be prepared. Or, perhaps the shroud could be formed in sections welded together. I would hate to think about whittling the parts out of solid, like the rear sections in the photos.
If you could obtain a slice from the front end of a scrapped receiver - even a 1/2" would do - it would really help. Give the exact shape and dimensions. The die could be a steel plate, with a couple of bars fastened to it. The male plug would have to be just the right shape, but would only be a heavy steel bar, shaped to form the radii. And a second plug around which to form the bottom of the shroud would be needed.
And a honking big hydraulic press as well.
And a honking big hydraulic press as well.
well i have the drawings, so i have the exact shape as per. and check to everything else you said too. i dont have/ dont want to buy a dewat ppsh to cut and burn to make a semi. they are expense , and not very plentiful. if the shroud works out , ill fabricate every piece of the gun, making changes for semi auto only
Lots of very interesting things can be found there:
http://www.ppsh41.com/ (Bill's PPSh41 homepage)
http://www.ppsh41.com/ (Bill's PPSh41 homepage)
If it is legal to export such an item without a permit, why not have somebody of american residence buy the stampings, and use them as a 3rd party "shipper"? I know by experience MANY american companies will refuse to export items, regardless of legality
...Also, rather than stamping the holes in the barrel shroud, couldn't you bend it into shape, then with a milling machine (or drill press i suppose) machine out the holes? Initially it seems like more work, but it might be easier than fooling around with trying to stamp it.
