So we did some digging and after talking with a CFO there is no real issue with covering the serial number because we are not changing or removing it. Worst case scenario you would have to remove the rail to prove the rifle's serial number or to get around this you could have the number placed on another part of the rifle.
Rauch Tactical Multi Mount Rail a VZ58 / 858 scope mounting rail.
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Another quick update. We completed final trials of the rail so 480 rounds of ammo and no issues. The only issue is that the range pics didn't turn out that great so we'll try to get some more done and up later. We're also hoping to add a video once the snow clears.
Return to zero was excellent and within 1MOA removing and reinstalling the optic mount, we're very happy with this result.
The shell deflector worked out very well and we're very happy with its results. Shells deflect forward and to the right at about 45 degrees well away from the scope. The deflector function was great not one failure to fire or feed. Here's a pic of the deflector showing that it is most deffinately doing its job. Without this I think the optic would quickly fail from the shells constantly pounding on it.
Here's a pic showing the deflector in relation to the optic and sights.
We should be on schedule to start shipping orders on the rail by the end of the week.
Return to zero was excellent and within 1MOA removing and reinstalling the optic mount, we're very happy with this result.
The shell deflector worked out very well and we're very happy with its results. Shells deflect forward and to the right at about 45 degrees well away from the scope. The deflector function was great not one failure to fire or feed. Here's a pic of the deflector showing that it is most deffinately doing its job. Without this I think the optic would quickly fail from the shells constantly pounding on it.
Here's a pic showing the deflector in relation to the optic and sights.
We should be on schedule to start shipping orders on the rail by the end of the week.
excellent, i can't wait, my elite 3200 10x40 should be here next week too.
but a couple more quick questions.
1) are you going to be selling the mounts as well, or do i need to order them from kalinka?
2) have you thought about a shell collector that could be attached onto the deflector, for guys who want to keep reloadable brass cases?
oh, and i just want to confirm i'm on the list for the rail.
thanks
hutchster
but a couple more quick questions.
1) are you going to be selling the mounts as well, or do i need to order them from kalinka?
2) have you thought about a shell collector that could be attached onto the deflector, for guys who want to keep reloadable brass cases?
oh, and i just want to confirm i'm on the list for the rail.
thanks
hutchster
1) We were talking with the Belomo factory to buy the mounts but things got... difficult... Ultimately we may consider importing some of their optics of mounts in bulk in the future but not right now. You can order the mounts from Kalinka, Eastwave or a variety of other retailers on line. Kalinka has a good selection to choose from. There are literally 50+ optic/mount options available to fit this rail, Kalinka either has listed on their site or can get most of them for you.
2) No, not really. The cocking handle would be an issue to deal with. Either way the shell deflector makes the brass much more predictable.
3) I will be contacting everyone who is on the list tonight. If you don't get an email tonight then contact me tomorrow.
2) No, not really. The cocking handle would be an issue to deal with. Either way the shell deflector makes the brass much more predictable.
3) I will be contacting everyone who is on the list tonight. If you don't get an email tonight then contact me tomorrow.
Just a quick update. We had a meeting last night and the shell deflectors are sub par. We're gonna redo them inhouse cause we would really rather make you guys wait then send out something we're not happy with. This final delay should only be a matter of days so orders will be shipping soon.
Supra, I know you're knee deep in a lot of worthwhile work for the VZ community right now, but I have a question that I would like to pose to you. Would it be possible to mount the optic, and the deflector, in such a way as to also make possible the use of Colorado Shooting Sports new Lightning bolt? Since the VZ uses an almost FAL type gas system, I personally, would like to have the FAL (read left side) ergonomics as well. I also like what you are working on, and would love to marry the two. This is an only if you have time question. I know you're busy. Thanks.
P.S. is anyone playing around with the idea of a ambidextrous, larger, selector switch for the VZ? How about an ambidextrous (say, a thin, half moon bar, attached on both sides of the bolt/dust cover assembly) charging handle? It would be cool to make a VZ that was optic perfect, and ambidextrous in every way. The unique, open top ejection port of the VZ makes this a really good platform, IMO, to try such a setup with. If somebody offered all that as a package, then I'd say you'd have a "hot ticket" on your hands!
P.S. is anyone playing around with the idea of a ambidextrous, larger, selector switch for the VZ? How about an ambidextrous (say, a thin, half moon bar, attached on both sides of the bolt/dust cover assembly) charging handle? It would be cool to make a VZ that was optic perfect, and ambidextrous in every way. The unique, open top ejection port of the VZ makes this a really good platform, IMO, to try such a setup with. If somebody offered all that as a package, then I'd say you'd have a "hot ticket" on your hands!
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You could mount the rail less the deflector and use a red dot or other optic mounted over the dust cover. Unfortunately all the mounts etc are designed to work with the left side mounted rail. There just aren't enough VZ58 rifles with left side charge to warrent development of a mount that works on the other side. Sorry Corpus.
I assumed as much. Can't blame a boy for dreaming, eh? Thanks for the reply. I'm still interested in what you are working on here however. I love to see regular people do wonderful things. You're doing that. Thank you.
P.S. Someday there will be a "perfect rifle" and I believe it will be built around the Vz.58!
P.S. Someday there will be a "perfect rifle" and I believe it will be built around the Vz.58!
Suprathepeg, would you be so kind and post some pictures
of the best suitable mount assembled on your rail?
I (and I guess that few others) would like to see
the assembled height of the setup, if possible.
You can edit out details of the side rail that may still be confidential
(but I know there aren’t any, since from your posts in this thread
your product is up for sale or just about to conquer the market).
You can choose from these mounts or any other
that you say works best on your rail.
Pictures from the side and behind the rifle (shooter’s view)
would be highly appreciated.
Thank you kindly
of the best suitable mount assembled on your rail?
I (and I guess that few others) would like to see
the assembled height of the setup, if possible.
You can edit out details of the side rail that may still be confidential
(but I know there aren’t any, since from your posts in this thread
your product is up for sale or just about to conquer the market).
You can choose from these mounts or any other
that you say works best on your rail.
Pictures from the side and behind the rifle (shooter’s view)
would be highly appreciated.
Thank you kindly
We designed the rail to work with pretty well any of the mounts available for Russian spec side rails. All of the mounts you pictured will work. I only have the ultra low SVD mount that you pictured here and I'll get some pics up of that and a variety of others later this week. Mounts with the AK base will work with our rail but the user must keep in mind that the AK base only allows for the rearmost position to be used. AK mounts with a red dot mounted over the dust cover would probably work alright with the rail you and Palinak are trying to get to market so long as the optic doesn't extend past the dust cover. I recommend SVD bases because they are generally smaller, lower and more versatile.
The rail itself will center some mounts over the bore line. There are literally over 50 different optic and mount variations available and most will work directly with the MultiMount Rail. The only real limitations are large bell scopes with some of the mounts. I will try to cover as many of the bases I can. Its not about which mount will work best with the rail its about which optic (POSP, Calumniator, Kobra etc) or mount works best for the user and their rifle.
I"ll be posting some pics later this week. The first lot of rails is 95% presold with another lot going into production we're still taking orders and will be able to fill orders as they come.
The rail itself will center some mounts over the bore line. There are literally over 50 different optic and mount variations available and most will work directly with the MultiMount Rail. The only real limitations are large bell scopes with some of the mounts. I will try to cover as many of the bases I can. Its not about which mount will work best with the rail its about which optic (POSP, Calumniator, Kobra etc) or mount works best for the user and their rifle.
I"ll be posting some pics later this week. The first lot of rails is 95% presold with another lot going into production we're still taking orders and will be able to fill orders as they come.
Suprathepeg, would you be so kind and post some pictures
of the best suitable mount assembled on your rail?
I (and I guess that few others) would like to see
the assembled height of the setup, if possible.
You can edit out details of the side rail that may still be confidential
(but I know there aren’t any, since from your posts in this thread
your product is up for sale or just about to conquer the market).
You can choose from these mounts or any other
that you say works best on your rail.
Pictures from the side and behind the rifle (shooter’s view)
would be highly appreciated.
Thank you kindly
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Thank you for your kind and considerate answer.
There are some aspects, however, that I want to understand better.
I’m not so sure I understand
when exactly you are going to post (which week?).
will not slide back and forward on your rail (???)
Is this what you are saying? How come?
However, that is fine by me, don’t worry about it, that’s ok........
(But you realize that more than half of the eastern mounts sold in Canada
are exactly the kind that you call “AK-47 type”, don’t you?)
the team of engineers and professionals you said you had
already made that provision from the initial design. What happened?
So the spacer was not even part of the package from the beginning?
Please make me understand, the rail AS IT IS NOW (with no spacer),
what kind of mounts does it center over the bore?
(That is, what was the rail's initial thickness pre-determined for?)
What kind of mount was it designed to accommodate
in the first place as it is now (with no shim)?
And with the (to be designed) spacer assembled,
exactly what kind of mount will it center over the bore?
(because, as I am sure you know,
there are at least 3 types of mounts with picatinny on top
each with its own side off-set distance
plus the UTG - of course, with its own off-set distance).
So, which one?
And since we are on this subject, I think that after 2 or 3 months,
I think it’s time you post close-up pictures (with lots of light).
Maybe people would like to see details of it. Thank you.
but if you google it, you’ll probably find
that calumniating is bulsh!iting about (or bad-mouthing) somebody or something
edit to add: And in spite of your posts in other threads,
I hope this is not the type of "optic" you want to promote on CGN.
(on the other hand, Collimator is not a model name,
but basically an optical system used to reduce parallax).
Does “Pre-sold” means they are still not ready?
I wanted to buy one... Come on... Pretty please...
Are they here yet? When are you going to charge my credit card?
On Dec 24, 2008 you posted:
Did you have to re-work (or re-design) them? Again?
What was the problem now?
Come on, I want to buy one. Did you charge my credit card yet?
Please post pics with the mounts
that your rail WILL center over the bore line.
I can't wait.
Thank you.
There are some aspects, however, that I want to understand better.
You typed the above on a Saturday afternoon.
I’m not so sure I understand
when exactly you are going to post (which week?).
So, in my understanding here, the (so-called) AK mounts
will not slide back and forward on your rail (???)
Is this what you are saying? How come?
However, that is fine by me, don’t worry about it, that’s ok........
(But you realize that more than half of the eastern mounts sold in Canada
are exactly the kind that you call “AK-47 type”, don’t you?)
I am speechless, because I was sure
the team of engineers and professionals you said you had
already made that provision from the initial design. What happened?
So the spacer was not even part of the package from the beginning?
Please make me understand, the rail AS IT IS NOW (with no spacer),
what kind of mounts does it center over the bore?
(That is, what was the rail's initial thickness pre-determined for?)
What kind of mount was it designed to accommodate
in the first place as it is now (with no shim)?
And with the (to be designed) spacer assembled,
exactly what kind of mount will it center over the bore?
(because, as I am sure you know,
there are at least 3 types of mounts with picatinny on top
each with its own side off-set distance
plus the UTG - of course, with its own off-set distance).
So, which one?
And since we are on this subject, I think that after 2 or 3 months,
I think it’s time you post close-up pictures (with lots of light).
Maybe people would like to see details of it. Thank you.
I’m not sure what kind of optic the Calumniator is,
but if you google it, you’ll probably find
that calumniating is bulsh!iting about (or bad-mouthing) somebody or something
edit to add: And in spite of your posts in other threads,
I hope this is not the type of "optic" you want to promote on CGN.
(on the other hand, Collimator is not a model name,
but basically an optical system used to reduce parallax).
What do you mean by that?
Does “Pre-sold” means they are still not ready?
I wanted to buy one... Come on... Pretty please...
Are they here yet? When are you going to charge my credit card?
On Dec 24, 2008 you posted:
So, another week? this week, next week, two weeks, when???
All ready for the coaters. Expecting to be ready for delivery by the thrid week of Jan!
Did you have to re-work (or re-design) them? Again?
What was the problem now?
Come on, I want to buy one. Did you charge my credit card yet?
That’s ok, don’t worry about it.......
Please post pics with the mounts
that your rail WILL center over the bore line.
I can't wait.
Thank you.
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PS How could I forget this one
but I won’t say it
I don’t want to bring anything to (on) the market.
If I wanted that, it would have been there already.
(And if that was the truth, I wouldn’t be so dumb
as to talk about it in your thread, now, would I?
But that was a nice try from your part...)
Under my handle you don’t see “deelah” now, do you?
But I do sell the occasional picture with Deckard for extra-cash.
It took me about 2 hours to make 2 of them
as a quick "get-in-shape" project on a Saturday morning,
but they were taken from me almost right away.
When I posted the pictures in the long 58 thread,
you jumped panicking with 3 messages in less than 2 hours...
Now you maybe convinced me that your rail is the way to go.
So, let’s see your rail.... It is your rail that I want, I swear.
(On the other hand, about what palinak wants to do,
you have to ask him, because I have no idea.
This thread is about your rail only).
Thanks again
I was just about to say that the above statement was a calumny,
but I won’t say it
I don’t want to bring anything to (on) the market.
If I wanted that, it would have been there already.
(And if that was the truth, I wouldn’t be so dumb
as to talk about it in your thread, now, would I?
But that was a nice try from your part...)
Under my handle you don’t see “deelah” now, do you?
But I do sell the occasional picture with Deckard for extra-cash.
It took me about 2 hours to make 2 of them
as a quick "get-in-shape" project on a Saturday morning,
but they were taken from me almost right away.
When I posted the pictures in the long 58 thread,
you jumped panicking with 3 messages in less than 2 hours...
Now you maybe convinced me that your rail is the way to go.
So, let’s see your rail.... It is your rail that I want, I swear.
(On the other hand, about what palinak wants to do,
you have to ask him, because I have no idea.
This thread is about your rail only).
Thanks again
I have some pics now. They rails were shipped from our shop in Ontario last week they were supposed to get to me in Winnipeg last week but they got lost in shipping, then were found and should now be here mid week. Once I get them I will mount up the variety of mounts that I have here and take more pics. In the mean time you'll have to make due with what I can show you now.
So, in my understanding here, the (so-called) AK mounts
will not slide back and forward on your rail (???)
Is this what you are saying? How come? QUOTE]
They will mount but only in the one position (furthest back), if you look at your AK mount you'll see why. The female portion of the dovetail (on the AK mount) cups the back of the male portion (rail itself). Like I said it mounts in the one position and is fine for a close to the eye mounted red dot. You can do whatever you like, though I recommend SVD bases for the VZ58 because they are generally lower and with the MultiMount Rail more versatile.
I don't know of any sold in Canada, if you know a source be sure to let us all know. That said I don't know of any Russian spec mounts that don't come with the option of either SVD or AK base. So unless you want a special purpose mount then choose SVD. AK bases can be modified to work with the MultiMount and we have rearward positioning of the stopper on the MultiMount Rail.
Actually it will center the Belomo mounts like these without a spacer:
We initially thought that the Belomo mounts were going to be .125" offset but the mount we were using was a bit screwey from the factory. Once we fixed the mount so it sat on the rail flush it centered over the bore fine. One thing to note however is that we found a variance of ~.05" in the offset between the mounts we have for testing. So don't expect 100% perfect alignment over the bore, that said +/-.05" is hardy an issue to be concerned about and one we can't fix. If the UTG mount has the same offset as the Belomo ones you posted then its a safe assumption it will center fine over the bore.
Maybe I should just post up the CAD file. Would that be better for you guys?
http:// zenit-belomo.com/pka7409-eng.htm pardon my spelling.
We have orders for the majority of the first lot on CGN and were working to fill orders for Distributers right now. If you read my previous posts we have reworked the deflectors a few times now including a bad outsourcing experience. We're working on a slightly modified design using stainless, but as always the issue is time. This is the nature of things when you are developing new products. I think customers would be much happier with a product that not only functions but functions well.
If there is anything else I can do to help clarify things for you just ask.
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Hey Hutchster,
I don't have a high one here but I'll order one now and post up some pics when it arrives so you can get a good idea of how it will sit.
The mount pictured is a Belomo mount though and works good with the scope shown (32mm IIRC).
Edited to add that I ordered one of the high belomo mounts with SVD base and I'll post up some pics with an optic mounted on it in a week or so when it arrives.
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Just wanted to post up some more pics of the rail with the low SVD weaver mount in place.
Its ideal for a red dot and you could mount a scope with a small bell like a 1-4x24 with high rings if you like. The mount sits just under 1/8" off the dust cover so you will have to remove it to clean but return to zero is generally sub MOA so...
In order to mount this Belomo mount you need to push the Multimount Rail as high as it goes in the lightning cut and omit one of the mounting bolts which would require drilling through the serial number. We did all of our testing with only two of the 4 available mounting bolts with no movement or loosening so you will be fine with only 3 of the 4 bolts.
I'll post up pictures with at least 4 other optic/mounting options over the next few days.
Its ideal for a red dot and you could mount a scope with a small bell like a 1-4x24 with high rings if you like. The mount sits just under 1/8" off the dust cover so you will have to remove it to clean but return to zero is generally sub MOA so...
In order to mount this Belomo mount you need to push the Multimount Rail as high as it goes in the lightning cut and omit one of the mounting bolts which would require drilling through the serial number. We did all of our testing with only two of the 4 available mounting bolts with no movement or loosening so you will be fine with only 3 of the 4 bolts.
I'll post up pictures with at least 4 other optic/mounting options over the next few days.
