Holster Certification

7.62mm said:
Probably don't want to hear this, but, if you take the BB Course, all other disciplines recognize it as suitable for Holster Certification (I believe, someone correct me if I am wrong on this). If you do go the IDPA CDP certification, you would still need to take the BB Course to shoot IPSC. So in the long run, it would be cheaper for you.

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I belive that PPC dont recognize BB
 
Steve David said:
Both courses would benefit you. In the IDPA course we do put a lot of focus on holster use as well as the rules.

By the way, Bob, I firmly believe you and I have become good friends, but I have to tell you this:

GOLF SUCKS............!
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Steve don't say that, you could set the oldtimers ticker off.... at his age anything could do it.

I honestly do not know how he gets out of bed in the morningto change the grampers :)

all in fun, bob is a way better shot then me, I firmly believe in shooting until the targets is nuetralized but sometimes it is hardto tell when the cardboard does not bleed or fall down screaming :)
 
Westicle said:
and don't forget ammunition cost on top of that,..... 500 rnds minimum ? or is it 1000 rnds ?
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Well it really depends on how good a shot you are...

Or for that matter how much you suck at shooting.

If you suck.............well you should not be taking the course as you will be wasting the time of the instructor, yourself and classmates. Lets say if you are good you can be completed in under 500 rounds. I think mine was under 400 rounds.

On the other hand I have seen people push towards 800 rounds...........

It is far better to spend the time and money on practice and getting rounds on paper before embarking on any sort of course with a fixed time window.
 
stormbringer said:
If you suck.............well you should not be taking the course as you will be wasting the time of the instructor, yourself and classmates.
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It does not matter how bad shooter is, I will work with them to help improve and I find it hard to believe that you of all people here would be so quick to give up on a shooter if they need help on improvement. If a shooter on the course is having trouble we work one on one with them to get them through the course and onto the range.
 
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Steve has said it all.... I encourage all shooters to come out and as long as they can safely draw from a holster and point the gun downrange in the general direction of the target I applaud them. to me first comes safety, then comes speed and accuracy.

nt to rag on you sto5rm, cause you know your my third favorite moderator andwhen I growup I want to be just like you (minus the station wagon) but how do we bring new shooters into the fold when clubs will not allow holster use WITHOUT the black badge course, and yet you just said they need to practice because if they suck then they are a waste of time.....

dry firing and such are only so good, until you can practice live fire and draw from a holster you just do not get a feel for the mechanics involved and how important it is to get a good grip and hand placement the first time, every time.
 
The June course at Colby is a CDP holster certification, not BB. Hope this helps.

vader_z said:
Do you or anybody have any info about the upcoming Colby BB course? I live in the area and would be interested in signing up for this. I checked IPSC Ontario and the only ones posted are Waterfrod, Windsor, Burlington, East Elgin and Silverdale.

Any info would be very appreciated. PM me if you want.

Thanks!
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PPC is a great shooting sport, nothing better to hone your accuracy. I think that PPC is the one shooting sport that can be implemented in both IPSC and IDPA to enhance your accuracy.

We will be hosting 2 IDPA "New Shooter Orientations" in the next month, I will post the dates once they are firmed up.
 
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Steve David said:
It does not matter how bad shooter is, I will work with them to help improve and I find it hard to believe that you of all people here would be so quick to give up on a shooter if they need help on improvement. If a shooter on the course is having trouble we work one on one with them to get them through the course and onto the range.
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So you are saying that you would spend 10 hours out of a 20 hour course to the detriment of the others just to get that one person through? Really? How does that make the other participants feel?

Or..........

As I suggest would you prefer that everyone have at least a modicum of experience in shooting before attempting the course in advance of the course.

IMHO a IPSC BB or *DPA is no place to be teaching the basics of shooting.

I am helping at another BB course in May. I have already scheduled range time with one individual on a personal basis to help that indiviudal ensure that they are fully capable of passing the course.
That is done free of charge.

Nothing is more frustrating in my opinion to a student then them being the only one who cannot complete a given exercise time and time again, thus holding the class back.


Did I say that I was giving up on anyone? Nope..........quite the opposite. I happen to value everyones time. The shooter, the other students and myself.
 
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Westicle said:
Steve has said it all.... I encourage all shooters to come out and as long as they can safely draw from a holster and point the gun downrange in the general direction of the target I applaud them. to me first comes safety, then comes speed and accuracy..
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I agree to a point. I do not even care if they can draw from a holster at all.

I do care if they have a flinch so bad that they cannot hit a 20 x 20 target at 10 yards with aimed fire yet want to come to a Black Badge course with set times for exercises and a absolute limit on available range time for the course. It is far better to FIX the flinch offline before the course.


Westicle said:
nt to rag on you sto5rm, cause you know your my third favorite moderator andwhen I growup I want to be just like you (minus the station wagon) but how do we bring new shooters into the fold when clubs will not allow holster use WITHOUT the black badge course, and yet you just said they need to practice because if they suck then they are a waste of time.....
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Oh you know you want a waggon!!

That said........brand new shooters should not be trying action sports at the get go. First they should learn how to actualy shoot and hit a target.

At my club you need a BB to shoot with a holster on your own. However if you are involved in training you do not as long as the person teaching you is trained. Heck just last week fbimagery came out to IPSC night with zero experience. We soon had him on the line trying it out.

I am speaking strictly of people who come out to COURSES in which other people have paid money to get instruction. It is patently unfair for one indiviudal to monopolize the instructor due to their lack of experience or practice.


Westicle said:
dry firing and such are only so good, until you can practice live fire and draw from a holster you just do not get a feel for the mechanics involved and how important it is to get a good grip and hand placement the first time, every time.
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I agree 100%
 
Storm,

It does not take 20 hours to teach the IDPA "New Shooter Orientation". I appreciate what you are saying, but as for me, yes I would work one on one with the shooter to help them get the holster portion to were I was comfortable with the shooter. We usually do not run a course with less then 4 instructors and several other experienced shooters who come out to assist. Once the holster portion is done and we have gone over the rules, the rest will come as they shoot. We do a lot of holster drawing in the class room before we hit the range,and then on the range, we also do a lot of live fire holster work.
 
Well the IPSC Black Badge course is a minimum of 4 hours of class time over the length of the course and 16 hours of actual range time.

We run our courses with One instructor and 2 to 3 assistants.

If you cannot hit the broad side of a barn with a pistol I stand by my statement that you should not be trying IPSC shooting. It is a waste of everyones time and money.

Again I have ZERO problem helping anyone become a better shooter and will spend as much time as required to do so.

However it is patenly unfair to have 5 or 8 other students standing idle by while the kinks are worked out for one indivdual who is out of their depth.

It is better to get them into the shallow end and teach them how to swim before asking them to take a dive off the high board into the deep end.
 
Being a member of both IDPA and IPSC I personnally don't think that a new shooter should be taking a holster course of either discipline. You should be a comfortable and capable shooter with your handgun before you start trying to practice and master any work with a holster. I have seen first hand someone who was not up to an acceptable level trying to do a course, it was more difficult for that person as the frustration level rose. There was no pressure from the instructor or classmates it was all from within. So if I were to give any advise I would tell someone to put alot of good rangetime in before doing either an IDPA or IPSC course, it would be time worth its weight in gold and make things go much smoother for themselves.
 
I too shoot both IDPA and IPSC (amongst others) and I think taking a BB would be good for shooters looking to enter into IDPA.
If it gives you a year in IPSC, try it out for a few matches - you may like it, and you may find that shooting both sports 'spices it up a bit'.

It is definately beneficial if someone is to have a good grasp of fundemental pistol shooting skills, and a good working knowledge of their pistol prior to taking the BB. Be confident without being cocky and soak in as much as you can. They will definately be better shooters at the end, and when compared with other instruction, it is a bargain.
 
Storm is making some real good points. Nothing will slow down a class faster that a student that can't hit the side of a barn from the inside. That being said as a Black Badge Instructor I will give a struggling student all the attention I can to help them get through the course. If for some reason they just can't keep up I have no problem getting them more range time after the course at no charge to bring them up to IPSC standards so they can pass the course
Onagoth if you wish I will gladly meet with you to answer any questions you may have about IPSC seeing as how we are in the same town, or just on the phone if you like. I also have a BB course coming up at Waterford which is only 20min from town in April.
PM me for my phone number or to set up a meet for coffee.
 
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