Wow....$99 pistol....Norinco M213

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To raise the point of aim you need to shorten the front sight or raise the rear sight. But to shoot that much low at only 10 yards by the time you shorten the front there not only won't be anything left of the front sight but you'll be about a 1/4 inch into the slide be anything left..... :D

A quick CAD sketch based on a 7 inch sight to sight baseline and assuming you're accurate about the 10 yards and 12 inchs I get a number of 0.23 inches that you'd need to file down the front sight. They aren't that high to begin with I suspect.

So, what's going on here? First off I'd suggest you go back and this time use your gear box and a pad or a sandbag or some other firm bench rest setup to cut out any issues with how you're holding the gun and how you may or may not be influencing it. If you look up the Shooter's wheel http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm it has a bunch of possible options. An anticipatory flinch will often result in the pistol shooting that low. Using a rest that you can support the underside of the frame with will help in eliminating the shooter's input from any issues. Now and then for some reason I'll still flinch and when it happens the shot goes low.
 
I FINALLY GOT SOME RANGE TIME!!!

Woohoo!

After I adjusted the sights I shot a few decent groups. (just at 10m though and i am pretty rusty)

The 2nd group was my left hand.

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Had mine out today for the first time in quite a while and noticed a substantial improvement in feeding after taking some very fine sandpaper to the barrel mouth and feeding ramp.
 
Wanted to know what needs to be done to it. ie. remvoing the oil and how to do this? Any tips out there?
 
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I cleaned mine up really good (Gunscrubber), then took it out to the range and let students shoot it...The ejector pin popped out and the ejector and pin got lost...took awhile to find them again. Anyways, after I reinstalled it, I did some more shooting with it and out of every mag I had at least 3 ejection issues. I haven't had time to mess with it further, but I guess you get what you pay for. I'm going to have to take some time to tune it before shooting it again.
 
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I would like to get into handgun shooting. I did a 4 gun match on the weekend and the handgun shoot was so much fun. I don't think that this gun would be great as a starter though. I wondering if I should get a Norinco 1911 to start or just one of these.
 
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MagnumPeanut said:
I just read 143 pages...


I would like to get into handgun shooting. I did a 4 gun match on the weekend and the handgun shoot was so much fun. I don't think that this gun would be great as a starter though. I wondering if I should get a Norinco 1911 to start or just one of these.
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I would not suggest this as a first firearm intended for competitive shooting.

If competitive shooting is the primary purpose, read the rules of the (respective) sport and speak with competitors. That will be your guide as to what to start with.
 
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just got mine in the mail today. it is a little rough around the edges, not the prettiest thing to look at BUT it is what it expected, and the price does reflect that. all in all for 99 bucks i am satisfied. it is a nice beater gun to have, in addition to having nice guns.
 
my second one came in the red box, instead of the blue box.... doesnt say Made in China on the side of it like the blue box, and the blueing seems to be a little better.... I should really look at them side by side

oh and the pin retaining clip on the red box one is a lot stiffer, I actually managed to scrap all the skin off my knuckle when the clip let go, and my finger grated accross the slide grips. Who knew a knuckle could bleed that much! :)
 
MagnumPeanut said:
I just read 143 pages...


I would like to get into handgun shooting. I did a 4 gun match on the weekend and the handgun shoot was so much fun. I don't think that this gun would be great as a starter though. I wondering if I should get a Norinco 1911 to start or just one of these.
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I'd have to agree with Wendell's reply. While all the evidence is that these 213's will be fine there is also some reports already in this thread about some malfunctions. The last thing you want in a match of some form is to be clearing a balky pistol while the clock is ticking. It's not good for your blood pressure and the desire to get it fixed could lead to a lapse in safety issues.

The 1911's seem to have a pretty good rep but buying .45ACP to shoot in matches where they don't have the patience to let you retrieve all your brass for reloading is going to get pricey quickly. Since you're looking at the 213 I'm guessing that cost overall for buying the gun and the feeding of it is a concern. So for that I'd suggest something like a CZ75B (Reliable has one for $650) or a S&W M&P in 9mm would be two better known reliable options. Sure they cost more but once you've shot around 3K rounds through them the ammo cost will make the extra pistol cost seem like nothing.

Having said that if my own 213's prove reliable I'm planning on using them for some match work. Why not?
 
Mine had some ejection issues for the first 100 or so rounds, now has about 400-500 rounds and maybe once about every 40 rounds. That being said I have put 1600 rounds through my new CZ75B in the last month and had not had one issue whatsoever. I'll use the CZ for competing, the Norc for plinking just for a change once in awhile.
 
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The 1911's seem to have a pretty good rep but buying .45ACP to shoot in matches where they don't have the patience to let you retrieve all your brass for reloading is going to get pricey quickly.
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The matches around here are ok, last one I was at about 2 guys stepped up and picked up all the brass between rounds while 2 guys setup the range again and the shooter reloaded for the next round. It shouldn't be too bad. Its just for a maybe a year or so to see if I like doing it or not. So in those respects the brass wouldn't be too much of a problem.
 
So I finally took mine shooting. I was shooting my revolvers but took the M13 along anyways. Only lost 3 cases in the snow. :(

So What

Well it seems to hang up a bit on chambering the first round but after that its not a problem. And I had one failure to eject. So reliability, not so much but for $99 what can you say.

I think it will get another going over and perhaps a little more polishing before it goes out to the range again.
 
I'm thinking that sometime later this summer there should be a set of regional 213 owner's meets for folks to get together and meet up, discuss mods and fixes, show off the toys, do some shootin' and eat junky hotdogs and generally revel in our cheapness that led us to buy these $99 uber bargains.

What'ch'all say to that?

I volunteer to run the lower mainland version.
 
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