Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
good catch,no I'am not he,but I'am looking for him,and you know.
1911 tests - enough to make TDC's head explode.
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good catch,no I'am not he,but I'am looking for him,and you know.
my first question would be who I was going to war with and what their issued sidearm is.... then I would pick that, they have a supply chain of ammunition and a ready supply of both armorers and spare parts.
so if i was goign to war with the US army I would pick the beretta M9.... or if I was deployed with a SF group I would take a 1911.... if canadian then a sig p225 or the old browning hipower
that answer your question ?
It does. But I meant more in a PSD or contractor point of view. Or a hypothetical.
Good argument for logistics and commonality of parts. I think if you dig deeper though you will find a lot of the SF 1911 stuff to be a myth, and a lot of commemorative rather than combat weapons. Besides, the SF guys need ammo too (9mm prevalence), and can carry weapons based on mission, operational, and environmental requirements. Howe, Suarez, Hamilton, Holshcen, Schertz, Vickers as an example all experienced ex SF instructors ALL prefer to carry Glocks, (matter of record). (what about K. Lamb? Last I heard Gonz was carrying 1911. Anyone?)
So...
If you were told you were going to be dropped into an UNKNOWN warzone could have the sidearm of your choice for under 500uSD... You choice would be? A kahr or ruger?
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Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
because if we where going to war I would be there in a medical capacity and not a fighting capacity, medics traditionally are armed with pistols for the defense of themselves and their patient.... unless of course you believe that medics should be nuetral which I do not.
see i don't believe that I would want to be a front line wannabe.... I just want to protect myself and the ones I love and the ones I am treating, call me nurturing that way.
does that mean that i would not do what it took to get the job done, I don't think so and I have proven that time and time again..... and have the awards to prove it. what have you done in life ?
as to the comments about mas being drunk at an awards dinner, WOW... who gives a ####, I have been drunk at awards dinners as well, so he cusses and swears in class.... sorry but I am not that sensitive.
so he refuses to be disarmed..... WOW, i thought you would be all for that, he is after all a professional and if he chooses to leave his live weapons on his person during a demonstration then so be it.... they are not going to jump out of the holster or out of his pocket and attack someone.
he has been an instructor for more years then you have been alive, I think he knows a little something on the subject and his own abilities and the abilities of his tools to stay where he put them.
The battlefield has changed, and mounted infantry no longer employs horses.
TDC
Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
There is a guy on here,who's been over there,and he commented on how some SF types had H&K UMPs [IIRC] gathering dust on the racks so they could get sh*t loads of .45ACP to use in their 1911s and IIRC they had some civvy 1911 armours as well.
see now again we run into the same problem, I have friends serving in both afganistan and iraq as PSD's and they have ZERO choice in what they are issued.... case in point to your favour is that they are issued either a glock 19 or 17. and for rifles the m4 carbine..... if they get caught with unissued wepons they will be on the next plane home.
I am a glock lover, there is no doubt about it, but it is not the end all be all of modern weapons.... I shoot a glock 17 in competition.... and a glock 34. I have owned well over 30 glocks.
if my choice was limited to either a ruger or kahr I would pick ruger everytime.... either the p89 in 9mm or the p90 in .45
neither pistol has ever let me down, throw some houge grips on them and they fit my hand the best of any pistol I have owned.
here is some pictures ..... so I like glocks, but again... they are not gods gift to firearms.
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Well played Westicle. Based on what you've posted regarding your medical training, I'd be glad to have you behind the lines patching up the wounded and saving lives. You should still be running a rifle in conjunction with your pistol.
As for Mas Ayoob. I didn't say he was at a charity dinner. He arrived at a fallen officers(in general, not one particular officer) charity shoot drunk. The key here is shoot. It was a fundraising competition involving firearms and he arrived drunk. I cannot confirm this. This information came from two instructors one if which was the director of training. His reluctance to remove all weapons prior to training is rather ignorant. Would you practice room clearing with loaded guns and offer to play "bad guy"? I didn't think so.
TDC
ETA: Your Glocks tell me you have issues with the fundamentals. Extended controls are gimmicks, the slip on grip is nothing but training wheels as is the finger extension base plate on the G26(can't quite make out the make or calibre).
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For training. I know people make orders all the time to spend budgets on X so you dont lose the money. But if the UMP's were sitting, what were they using?
I know people that have done tons of training over there, and one thing they mentioned was that some of the operational readiness and training they had before insertion or rotation was the best they had, so I would guess a lot of any pistol rounds would be needed.
That thing (UMP) is a ##### to shoot prone! I have great video of a SWAT guy putting a round into the deck with a UMP. Also, I know that most instructors I know do not like the pistol calibre carbines/SMGs when given the choice of a chopped m4 "except when required". One comment was particularly due to the large form factor and huge mag of the UmP , for very particular missions. E
would use mp5 or ps90? as PDW instead.
Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
the man who thinks his gun is the best because he has not tried others may be surprized that there are better...
and just as an aside. here is a picture of my rugers....
my favorites though would have to be S&W, my 4566 and 1066 where the best ever
and just as an aside. here is a picture of my rugers....
my favorites though would have to be S&W, my 4566 and 1066 where the best ever
I'm going to keep this one from Wes for future ad hominem reference/defence when quoting a reputable instructor:
"he has been an instructor for more years then you have been alive, I think he knows a little something on the subject and his own abilities and the abilities of his tools"
"he has been an instructor for more years then you have been alive, I think he knows a little something on the subject and his own abilities and the abilities of his tools"
the man who thinks his gun is the best because he has not tried others may be surprized that there are better...
and just as an aside. here is a picture of my rugers....
my favorites though would have to be S&W, my 4566 and 1066 where the best ever
Difficult to access slide mounted positive safeties. Ignorant Magazine disconnects that render the pistol useless. Heavy all steel construction, and heavy DA and DAO trigger pull. Don't forget exposed hammers, pointless on DAO pistols. Yeah, I can see S&W and/or Ruger have the clear advantage. Oh hold on, S&W now has their second copy of the Glock on the market, and its doing well. Thats odd, why the change from the tried and true like those above?
My experience with pistols, isn't limited to Glocks and 1911's. Thanks for pretending to have knowledge of my experience.
TDC
nothing is ever good enough for you is it.... I have big hands, so big in fact that the glock grip of the G17 is small to me..... and on the G26 I would be holding the gun with one finger if not for the extended magazine plate.
you know, you are such a weiner.... you do realize that different people like and or need different things that you do not have a clue about for them to enjoy their shooting hobby..... there is no middle ground with you, stop being such a *****.
If the grip of the G26 is too small why not run a G19? The finger extension duplicates the same grip size of a G19. We're back to hobby shooting. Hobby or not, the fundamentals of marksmanship still apply. Slip on grips and finger tab base plates fail to solve a problem that cannot be solved by logical gear selection or proper training.
I know a guy who's 6'10" 350 lbs who can pick up an NBA regulation ball with one hand, and he shoots a G19.
TDC
