Glock = suck
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Glock 21 SF great shooter
Three guns, three identical bulls eye targets. STI Edge in .40 S&W shot best, Glock 21SF was next, 1911 was last.
The 1911 still shot very well. It just surprised me that the Glock 21 was more accurate during this test. I've owned a couple dozen handguns and the Edge beats them all but I've never had a Glock beat a 1911 before.
Three guns, three identical bulls eye targets. STI Edge in .40 S&W shot best, Glock 21SF was next, 1911 was last.
The 1911 still shot very well. It just surprised me that the Glock 21 was more accurate during this test. I've owned a couple dozen handguns and the Edge beats them all but I've never had a Glock beat a 1911 before.
But how many of them are under $500 USD?
How many can you SCUBA dive with, roll in the mud, then get caught in a sandstorm with and still expect to fire...
For under $500..
BTW... If you are shooting a 1 inch group I am impressed. What is making it go to 5 inches. Did you move the target back to 7 meters? lol.
Your results were just that, yours. Yes, you may be inherently more accurate with one gun over another. To say one gun is inaccurate over another is neither fact nor science. One gun may be more or less accurate in your hands when compared to another gun in your hands.
TDC
Of course a rifle is inherently more accurate than a semi auto handgun or snub nose. I was referencing the pistols being discussed above.
TDC
Just saying that mechanical or design factors as well as engineering can therefore (and obviously) affect precision.
Sure, usually there are people with poor fundamentals and lack of training/practice comparing one gun to the next. But sure as s**t if I am a hot shot with a glock and you give me someone's race gun or souped STI I am probably going to be able to shoot a bit better once comfortable off the bench.
That said, it doesn't make the gun "better" unless your only requirement is precision. It is the sum of multiple factors that really make the glock shine IMHO. Like the fact I can buy 5 for the price of some STI's. So I can compare all five against the one for durability, hehe....
Remember: Law of Diminishing Returns.
Sure, usually there are people with poor fundamentals and lack of training/practice comparing one gun to the next. But sure as s**t if I am a hot shot with a glock and you give me someone's race gun or souped STI I am probably going to be able to shoot a bit better once comfortable off the bench.
That said, it doesn't make the gun "better" unless your only requirement is precision. It is the sum of multiple factors that really make the glock shine IMHO. Like the fact I can buy 5 for the price of some STI's. So I can compare all five against the one for durability, hehe....
Remember: Law of Diminishing Returns.
Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Being able to buy more of something doesn't make it better or more accurate.
Just means you can buy more of it ,nothing more or less.
Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
At what distants are you talking about? that's a pretty open statement ,at shorter ranges pistol can be as accurate as rifles , But a rifle will always be easier to hit with ,as would any long gun.
Most guns are more accurate than the shooter. Some guns allow the shooter to better harness that accuracy...and it all depends on what works for you...assuming you have basics consistently followed.
Find the one that works for you then shoot the crap out of it. I find that the more I shoot the more I consolidate my gun collection to a couple of designs that work for me, then buy 1 or more spare guns and a ton of spare parts. Rest of money is for ammo and then practice +++++
So far 1911 and HK P2000 tops the list for me. However I recently ordered a Glock 19 as I realized that the optimized grip on my P2000 is now too small for the average male hand and would make a poor loaner to friends starting to shoot. Plus the fact I found some 10/15 mags (actually shorter than the 10/13 mags on my P2000!!!) and the fact that compared to other converted 12.6 pistols, the Glock 19 looks better, less protrusion, TONS of aftermarket stuff (just like the 1911!!!). I'll then test it against my P2000 and see which one I'm more efficient with....I never stick to a gun for sentimental reasons, only those that work for me.
When Glock releases their adjustable grip frames I'll probably get one too!!1
Find the one that works for you then shoot the crap out of it. I find that the more I shoot the more I consolidate my gun collection to a couple of designs that work for me, then buy 1 or more spare guns and a ton of spare parts. Rest of money is for ammo and then practice +++++
So far 1911 and HK P2000 tops the list for me. However I recently ordered a Glock 19 as I realized that the optimized grip on my P2000 is now too small for the average male hand and would make a poor loaner to friends starting to shoot. Plus the fact I found some 10/15 mags (actually shorter than the 10/13 mags on my P2000!!!) and the fact that compared to other converted 12.6 pistols, the Glock 19 looks better, less protrusion, TONS of aftermarket stuff (just like the 1911!!!). I'll then test it against my P2000 and see which one I'm more efficient with....I never stick to a gun for sentimental reasons, only those that work for me.
When Glock releases their adjustable grip frames I'll probably get one too!!1
5 of them means if we are in a competition or fight I have 5 more for the price of your one for a fair competion. So we both shoot to failure of the weapon. We both get to say 20k rounds. But I have 4 more firearms... Your single gun is broken. My team wins.
Economics is a very serious strategic consideration when it comes to warfare.
Eg: Attack supply lines.
Economics is a very serious strategic consideration when it comes to warfare.
Eg: Attack supply lines.
You already answered your own question:
"But a rifle will always be easier to hit with ,as would any long gun."
The "inaccuracy" just becomes more evident as you begin to make more challenging shots with the weapons to be compared.
Hah, same happened to me while I was shooting either an HK UMC, or Ruger P90. Can't remember which. No gangsta-shooting or anything like that lol just bounced off the wall and on the top of my head.
I shot a Glock 17 before. Had next to no recoil (Thought that's to be expected with a 9mm), but found it to be very inaccurate. I was better with my M1911 A1. Was probably just shaky or something that day with the G17.
5 of them means if we are in a competition or fight I have 5 more for the price of your one for a fair competion. So we both shoot to failure of the weapon. We both get to say 20k rounds. But I have 4 more firearms... Your single gun is broken. My team wins.
Economics is a very serious strategic consideration when it comes to warfare.
Eg: Attack supply lines.
Pretty much sums it all.
Y e a
Nice post brother ,well said.I can't beleive people have the nerve to speak poorly of the world's best pistol. Equally amazing is why other companies even bother to make a pistol when all you need is a Glock. They are so perfect that the sun always shines and flowers bloom whenever they are taken out of a gun case.
In all reality I tried them (several of them) and I can say that I am not a fan. Are they reliable? Sure but no more so than anyone else's. Yea... a lot of police forces have them so what? What's the point of having a handgun the error-net deems as uber reliable when you can't stand shooting the godd@mn thing?
A lot of people bought Yugo's, Lada's and K-cars too but that doesn't mean I have to have one. My $0.02 is that they are over-rated and you can do better if you are willing to stay of the band wagon and form your own opinion.
With regards to the original post... find out if you do have any grip / technique issues. Have your friends try it and see if they report the same. Heaven forbid you have the only imperfect Glock on the planet.
Regards,
Once you learn how to use the trigger they are very accurate. Myself I do shoot better with my 1911.
These are the best threads ever. I love when people argue on the internet
Glocks are good. They serve a purpose. If you are in the Canadian military they are better than a BHP anyday. They are reliable, proven and dependable. Cheap is nice too... I have lots of them, shoot well and they go like the energizer bunny... As far as cops carrying them that doesnt say much ... lowest common denominator dictates what they carry on their hip. and chances are that cops targets arent shooting back at them. (Hahahahaha)
I wish I could say the same about the 1911's that are just too high maintenance for weekly range trips ... but sure are fun to shoot
I know that the Glock isnt for everyone. But they are a high quality polymer framed HG with a well documented low failure rate....
Glocks are good. They serve a purpose. If you are in the Canadian military they are better than a BHP anyday. They are reliable, proven and dependable. Cheap is nice too... I have lots of them, shoot well and they go like the energizer bunny... As far as cops carrying them that doesnt say much ... lowest common denominator dictates what they carry on their hip. and chances are that cops targets arent shooting back at them. (Hahahahaha)
I wish I could say the same about the 1911's that are just too high maintenance for weekly range trips ... but sure are fun to shoot
I know that the Glock isnt for everyone. But they are a high quality polymer framed HG with a well documented low failure rate....
I really do wonder why we settle for designs which are less than ideal - and then idolize them. If we had rejected Harleys because they leak etc, would we not have better now?
I recently checked out new autos - money in pocket - and was thoroughly underwhelmed.
HK, Sig, Beretta, Colt and others would each need work, or a lot of "getting used to," which really means that the boots don't fit, but you paid too much to admit it.
Custom guns can be built - do the Big Manufacturers not have time to consider ideal features?
Is it really that difficult to make a gun that has a readily operable slide stop, mag release, safety/decocker and trigger?
Okay - I can get used to holding a square profile grip - but why? Is it beyond our engineering skills to make a gun that fits - and holds a reasonable sized mag?
Is it really necessary to have edges all sharp and levers all protruding to snag, yet too short to reach without twisting the gun off-target?
The barrel is only three quarters of an inch thick - does the gun need to be twice that or more?
Do the mag springs need to be so stiff as to make it hard to fill?
Do the sights need to stand up with snagging corners, and require a perfect sized screwdriver to adjust them - or scratch the gun trying?
Handle and shoot an old auto - Browning 1910, or any of the old designs, then add 100 years of careful engineering and then consider what we should be seeing today - we are not getting it. We are settling for Briggs and Stratton or Belarus or Underwood technology, when we could be enjoying better - much better - if we were not so busy defending our old hawg as we clean up the oil leaked on the floor.
I recently checked out new autos - money in pocket - and was thoroughly underwhelmed.
HK, Sig, Beretta, Colt and others would each need work, or a lot of "getting used to," which really means that the boots don't fit, but you paid too much to admit it.
Custom guns can be built - do the Big Manufacturers not have time to consider ideal features?
Is it really that difficult to make a gun that has a readily operable slide stop, mag release, safety/decocker and trigger?
Okay - I can get used to holding a square profile grip - but why? Is it beyond our engineering skills to make a gun that fits - and holds a reasonable sized mag?
Is it really necessary to have edges all sharp and levers all protruding to snag, yet too short to reach without twisting the gun off-target?
The barrel is only three quarters of an inch thick - does the gun need to be twice that or more?
Do the mag springs need to be so stiff as to make it hard to fill?
Do the sights need to stand up with snagging corners, and require a perfect sized screwdriver to adjust them - or scratch the gun trying?
Handle and shoot an old auto - Browning 1910, or any of the old designs, then add 100 years of careful engineering and then consider what we should be seeing today - we are not getting it. We are settling for Briggs and Stratton or Belarus or Underwood technology, when we could be enjoying better - much better - if we were not so busy defending our old hawg as we clean up the oil leaked on the floor.
Extremely well-stated. I had a look at the way a few old 1911s were put together: Craftsmanship has taken a beating over the past fifty years. It's time that 'Good Old American Ingenuity' got started again.
