New 870`s have problems?
- Thread starter y2k
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Remington built its reputation on these shotguns. this is not the only product that is suspect from them either. I love em, but they are crap. They should be garbage compactors for cheap shells, instead people constantly make excuses for them. buy one and find out for yourself......maybe if you oil it just right.....
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I agree with you. When I was selling guns for Wholesale sports Winnipeg, we would test fire the guns after a return (or sometimes before we'd give a refund). Most malfunctions were not the fault for the firearm, but that of the operator.
Some people are just too stupid to own guns!! The lack of your ability to operate an 870 correctly, is one of those indicators!!
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Is Remington phasing it out for a modern, cheaper to produce M887? I heard they had a "security" version in the works.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_887/model_887.asp
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_887/model_887.asp
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- Lower Mainland BC
I have my R870 for five years now and I never had a FTF or FTE,...but the truth is I shot trap only with good ammo...
I've owned eleven 870s including Wingmasters, Express, Special Purpose and Police dating from the early 70's to the early 2000s. It's not fair to suggest they are poorly made but they certainly aren't made the way they once were. Decreasing attention to detail, fitting, finish (both inside and outside) and quality of the parts aren't hard to spot between a gun made in the 70's and one from last year.
But in fairness this isn't just a problem with Remington. I've seen the same decline in attention to detail elsewhere including some high end brands.
But in fairness this isn't just a problem with Remington. I've seen the same decline in attention to detail elsewhere including some high end brands.
Right. And we'll do the same thing with cars and females too. Where's the fun in that? Sounds communist to me.
The problem is that people have different priorities and expectations.
Joe #1 is happy with a chinese throw-away of dubious quality as long as the price is low. Joe #2 wants something with proven reliability and quality and is willing to pay for it. What shotgun will make both these guys happy and still turn a profit for the maker? Easy answer - none.
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- Sudbury, On
So what's been more reliable, the relationship with the girl, or the gun?
I keed, I keed.
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Seriously folks, it's a four-hundred-ish dollar shotgun. I don't expect flawless operation in that price category. I DO, however, expect it when the rifle or shotgun in question approaches (or surpasses) the four-digit mark (at least for bolts/levers/pumps).
I find most 'reasonable' folks fall into the same expectations as myself. But there will always be the one or two who constantly complain their Norc is jamming up, or the rich-scnob who prefers to bring his over/under to his local gunsmith for next-day service...
Besides having a plastic trigger group, rough chambers, and a rust-prone finish, the 870 express also has plastic magazine cap and spring retainer instead of the ball detent on the barrel lug and steel spring cup retainer.
This setup uses a dimpled magazine tube to hold the retainer in, which prevents a magazine extension from functioning unless the dimples are removed. In addition, the lack of a ball detent means that if you add an extension, you will have to either have a ball detent installed or use blue Loctite on the threads to hold it on.
Even if you have no intention of fitting a magazine extension, the Express retainer setup is still cheap and junky, as well as being "non standard" compared to other 870 models.
This does not apply to the Express models with extended magazines. These guns use the conventional ball detent on the barrel lug.
If you must buy new 870, get either the Wingmaster or Police models so as not to encourage Remington to continue to make shoddy products. If cost is an issue, there are lots of reasonably priced used 870s kicking around, which can be readily modified to your requirements.
This setup uses a dimpled magazine tube to hold the retainer in, which prevents a magazine extension from functioning unless the dimples are removed. In addition, the lack of a ball detent means that if you add an extension, you will have to either have a ball detent installed or use blue Loctite on the threads to hold it on.
Even if you have no intention of fitting a magazine extension, the Express retainer setup is still cheap and junky, as well as being "non standard" compared to other 870 models.
This does not apply to the Express models with extended magazines. These guns use the conventional ball detent on the barrel lug.
If you must buy new 870, get either the Wingmaster or Police models so as not to encourage Remington to continue to make shoddy products. If cost is an issue, there are lots of reasonably priced used 870s kicking around, which can be readily modified to your requirements.
TangoSixNiner
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- SW Ontario
Same issue every now and then. What's the proper method of extracting a stuck shell?
The new Wingmasters and 870Ps ain't no picnic either, the 'P' at least has a plastic trigger guard as standard now and they both radily show signs of degraded QC and attention to detail. My 6 year old 'P' looks/felt like it was made in a low rent Khyber Pass blacksmith's shop compared to the older stuff.
I realize that an express isn't in the same class as guns with pricetags in the 4 digits. I do however expect that when I spend my hard-earned money, now matter the pricetag, on a NEW product, it should act and work like a new product. If problems arise after a bit of use I'm more than willing to deal with them as they come up - Durability is one of the things that come along with higher price tags, but not functioning right out of the box isn't. That's just a poorly made product - especially from a company that's been producing firearms for almost 100 years.
Wild_Thing
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I would not purchase a new 870 Express. There are plenty of older, lightly used Wingmasters out there looking for new homes. These from a time when Remington took some pride in their workmanship and produced a quality product. Claybuster already said it. It ain't just Remington suffering from the cheaping out syndrome, either.
The 870P has a plastic trigger guard? Are you certain? I'm not trying to insult you or argue, but I am under the impression that the 870P specifically has a metal trigger group and is much better polished than an express- as though it's an upgraded wingmaster. An new express, or even a "tactical" runs $400-500, whereas a new 870 Police Magnum runs $800. What would the price difference be if not metal parts and decent QC. Perhaps you mean some type of 870 tactical model with lots of fancy dress up parts? Usually these are just express models with extras.
