I'm glad you made this post. I was hearing from alot of guys that you should always hold your magwell, no matter the position, but it just doesn't feel right while standing (especially with a 20" Hbar). Holding the magwell while shooting prone does seem more comfortable for shooting slowly for longer periods though.
Reducing recoil on a AR
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Hi Kevin,
Suppose you were having a bad dream. In the dream you were trapped in a surreal game called Kanada Open Olympic Kombat (KOOK). Before you could play this game you had to sing Oh Kanada in Hindi...sorry I digress...
If you were limited to 5 round mags in a game that required fast mag changes, would you still suggest that holding further out on the carbine a superior approach to "scoring" considering the requirement to bring the fore hand off the further part back to the mag well to change mags would be more difficult and time consuming?
Is it possible that by holding the magwell in order to effect fast mag changes one would allow increased time in order to achieve superior aim?
Is it also possible that these two different styles are in fact favoured or biased by laws that have nothing to do with "optimim" shooting techniques?
Don
isnt holding the magwell also a safety risk if the rifle has a catastrophic failure you could loose your fingers.
Lately Ive been shooting without my vertical foregrip to, seems abit faster (10.5" gun) but I dont mind putting it back on when I load the gun up with lots of optics and weights.
ah...what? try shooting rapid at 25+ meters with a magwell grip then out where it should be let us know what works better a faster(maybe) mag change or a much much better chance of Azone hits? remember that saying can't miss fast enough to win?
but-
For free style standing - holding the magwell allows olympic elbow to hip as well as balance on bottom of mag with thumb and forefinger (as in Camp Perry style) -but then again u r cqb - not an isu shooter---
for cqb a pistol grip on the forend is unbeatable - keeps the barrel down on doubles and triples --
For free style standing - holding the magwell allows olympic elbow to hip as well as balance on bottom of mag with thumb and forefinger (as in Camp Perry style) -but then again u r cqb - not an isu shooter---
for cqb a pistol grip on the forend is unbeatable - keeps the barrel down on doubles and triples --
So say all the sellers of doodads. 8:
As they are all "pro" if you wanna be pro you must have one too. To question the sellers of doodads is heresy. At least KB deserves credit for saying you're better off getting training or ammo for range time and careful practice.
Personally at those prices, I'll buy a case of ammo and dinner out. but YMMV
As they are all "pro" if you wanna be pro you must have one too. To question the sellers of doodads is heresy. At least KB deserves credit for saying you're better off getting training or ammo for range time and careful practice.
Personally at those prices, I'll buy a case of ammo and dinner out. but YMMV
I have 13 uppers with barrel lenghts from 7.5 " up to 22". I have used everything discussed in this thread except for the one posted by Freedom Ventures.
The only muzzlebrake that completely eliminates recoil is the Dlask muzzlebrake the one with 6 large ports the $65 one.
It completely cuts the recoil and the muzzle climb on any barrel lenght. It has some kind of self-adjusting capability it's amazing. The rifle does not move at all, it stays steady. You can't ask for anything more than that. I have never seen something like it in more than 25 years of shooting.
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Noise
I was also thinking of getting a muzzle brake for my AR. However this made me think twice. How louder is it? Is it really that bad (as suggested below)?
From wikipedia:
"Recorded noise levels (on certified audiological instruments) at the muzzle of a magnum or high velocity rifle with a muzzle break [sic] normally exceed 160 decibels. Permanent ear damage occurs at 120 decibels. If you read the fine print on the finest set of ear plugs and ear muffs available, you will find the total noise reduction only between 22 and 31 decibels. This means that on a rifle with a muzzle brake, even if you are wearing hearing protection, you are suffering permanent damage."
Now, are the people who will tell me it's not that bad already half deaf??
I was also thinking of getting a muzzle brake for my AR. However this made me think twice. How louder is it? Is it really that bad (as suggested below)?
From wikipedia:
"Recorded noise levels (on certified audiological instruments) at the muzzle of a magnum or high velocity rifle with a muzzle break [sic] normally exceed 160 decibels. Permanent ear damage occurs at 120 decibels. If you read the fine print on the finest set of ear plugs and ear muffs available, you will find the total noise reduction only between 22 and 31 decibels. This means that on a rifle with a muzzle brake, even if you are wearing hearing protection, you are suffering permanent damage."
Now, are the people who will tell me it's not that bad already half deaf??
Yeah... but where is that reading taken and with what kind of instrument?A weighted or B weighted measurement? There is a lot more to sound pressure levels than just simply quoting a dB number... Buy a muzzle brake, wear hearing protection, don't stand next to the muzzle when shooting and don't give it a second thought.
Oh, and never take anything you read on wikipedia at face value.
Oh, and never take anything you read on wikipedia at face value.
The sound is normal as the shooter. However, for people standing 2feet+ to the sides, its very loud - not in a .45-70 type loud, its not a thunderous boom like the Marlin.... its just louder in the higher-pitched, whip-crack type way. I like it..... Use, Repeat, Enjoy
Whoever wrote this is confusing constant noise with impulse noise. The limit for hearing damage from impulse noise is 139 dB.
All centrefire rifles will exceed 160 dB. In fact most common calibers will run around 165 dB or so. That is measured one meter to the left of the muzzle. The reading at the shooter's ear will be less because the majority of the sound is moving forward and out from the muzzle.
Most muzzle brakes don't increase noise for the shooter but push sound to the side of the rifle.
