2/3 size IPSC Target
- Thread starter PeterPan
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Approved targets for IPSC Handgun matches are clearly defined in the rulebook.
I think you are confusing poppers vs. mini poppers with paper targets.
Mini poppers are very close to 2/3 size of poppers.
There is no approved 2/3 IPSC (paper) target for IPSC Handgun matches.
I think you are confusing poppers vs. mini poppers with paper targets.
Mini poppers are very close to 2/3 size of poppers.
There is no approved 2/3 IPSC (paper) target for IPSC Handgun matches.
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- Halifax - NS
Yes, the new 2/3 target is going to be legal. We just can't mix it with the normal one in the same stage.
As of January 1, 2010 there is.
stormbringer
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Oh yes we cannot mix them because some idiot who HATES guns no matter what and wants to kill off any shooting sport let alone IPSC might misconstrue the smaller target and think that we are training to shoot at children for F's sakes!
Nothing like letting the ENEMY not only write the rules for the war but pick the battle locations as well without even firing a shot!
I have met the enemy.................he is us!
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redbirddog
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where can we see pics or dimensions for these targets?
are they for simulating 25 yrd shots @ 10 ft?
are they for simulating 25 yrd shots @ 10 ft?
bclinehand
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C'mon Storm let it all out ......tell us what you really think.......lol
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As of January 1, 2010 there is.
Damn RD's get all the inside scoop!
Off to Global Village I go...
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- Halifax - NS
You're right John - it is bulls**t.
Problem is, the motion to approve the 2/3rd target was conditional on the PC bulls**t.
So, either get the second target and fight the PC crap later or not get the target at all...
(Which is going to be great for the indoor ranges)
I want the target.
stormbringer
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Why was it conditional?
Who made it conditional?
Who made it conditional?
Popper, Mini Popper, IPSC target, 2/3 IPSC target, whats the difference? Somebody caved because of somebodies unfounded complaints about political correctness. Its frickin' paper FFS, already politically correct in all fashions, regardless of size has no bearing on their relation(or lack thereof) to a humanoid target. Give an inch and they will try and take a mile. What governing body makes it conditional for approval? Is the targets used not solely decided by IPSC itself and only changed to be politically correct for public acceptance? Or is there some government watch dog that tells them what we can and can't use for targets? Sorry but just get annoyed when stuff like this is decided because if an already-non-humanoid-target is made 2/3 the size all of a sudden it becomes representative of a humanoid target if used in conjunction with the larger ones. Is that not one of the most rediculous reasons you have ever heard? JMO
Not IPSC, but one of the 3-gun matches I attend uses the IPSc metric target, but the 'D' zone doesn't count... It's a miss.
So... why bother using smaller targets?
Just eliminate the 'D' zone for scoring.... That's about 1/3 of the target isn't it...?
So... why bother using smaller targets?
Just eliminate the 'D' zone for scoring.... That's about 1/3 of the target isn't it...?
New targets are to progressive for some. They supposed to help in those places which are limited to small ranges (original idea). My problem is not a small target, we can cut them now even half way, my problem is the progression and direction of this sport.
Where we going, and who is making all this decisions.
What is next on the back burner.
Just looked what is happening to Production? They don't know what to do with all those who cheat (bump them to Open, really), how you can check all the pistols, what about the factory shooters who got their equipment tweaked to max?
15 rounds mags for us in Canada means nothing, but talk with guys in Europe, they are outraged, ROs even more, now they would have to count instead Roing....
I want some stability and uniformity in this sport, not constant changes. I understand we can't make everyone happy (me included).
That is why I start likening USPSA more and more....
Where we going, and who is making all this decisions.
What is next on the back burner.
Just looked what is happening to Production? They don't know what to do with all those who cheat (bump them to Open
, really), how you can check all the pistols, what about the factory shooters who got their equipment tweaked to max?15 rounds mags for us in Canada means nothing, but talk with guys in Europe, they are outraged, ROs even more, now they would have to count instead Roing....
I want some stability and uniformity in this sport, not constant changes. I understand we can't make everyone happy (me included).
That is why I start likening USPSA more and more....
the reason why e can not mix different size targets is that a few years ago the French were trying to get IPSC accepted for something by the French Government. they had the Minister of recreation, a woman, out to show her how a match was run etc. her report back to the elected house was that there were training to shot children as they had a large popper and a small popper set up side by side. my understanding is that ever since then the French have been struggling to keep IPSC.
2/3 targets are there for the same reason as 2/3 poppers, they are to stimulate distance. i would much rather have to walk out 25 yards to tape a target then 50 yards, never mind the obvious uses for an indoor range.
Personally i think IPSC got this one right.
2/3 targets are there for the same reason as 2/3 poppers, they are to stimulate distance. i would much rather have to walk out 25 yards to tape a target then 50 yards, never mind the obvious uses for an indoor range.
Personally i think IPSC got this one right.
... This has bugged me for years.
Smaller targets don't simulate longer distances. They just offer a smaller target at the same distance!
I mean to really simulate longer distances you'd have to figure out a way to factor in trajectory differences, bullet drop... wind... etc.
Stop fooling yerself!!!
Hitting a 4" targer at 15 yards does not mean you can hits an 8" target at 30.
stormbringer
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No they got it 100% dead wrong and CAVED due to the actions of ONE FRENCH POLITICIAN!!
The correct course of action would be to EDUCATE that and any other politician.
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- Halifax - NS
Dunno - whoever made the motion. Likely the Executive.
No. It's just another option to a Match Director.
Ever set up an indoor match and try to get a decent round count to make it worth people's time to come? Yes - We need it.
Nothing else as far as I know.
2012 possible deletion of Revolver and Modified in favor of Single Stack might be tried.
Until it's presented before the RDs - anything and nothing is possible.
The Global Village is a good place to get a smell of what's coming down the pipe to be presented, but not a good indicator of what the RDs (GA) will vote in favor of.
All these motions from the Oct 18 GA were forwarded to your SC for thier comment over a month ago. If you surf the global village - you've seen the suggestion of the for months. There are no secrets.
In a typical 8 Bay indoor range, there is approx 24 feet across. If you went shoulder to shoulder across that range with the "ipsc" target, you can fit in 16 targets without overlaps. With the new target, you can fit 24 targets across the range. More options for indoor stage design.
(And I'll put in my personal comment here that Overlapping Targets SUCK!)
Who are you kiddin? It's an action pistol at pistol ranges - wind - bullet drop - trajectory? Yeah, Right...They just offer a smaller target at the same distance!
I mean to really simulate longer distances you'd have to figure out a way to factor in trajectory differences, bullet drop... wind... etc.
Stop fooling yerself!!!
I can. I practice indoors on small targets all the time and it definitely helps my ability to shoot long range targets.
I think I have the trophies to back that claim up...
stormbringer
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- S.W. Ontario
Actually that is not entirely true Sean.
At our club we host a mid winter Level II match with between 6 and 8 stages with a round count of over 100 using just our indoor range.
It just takes some imagination and tricks to be acomplished but it can be done.
I would also point out that in this match a target is not used for more than one stage.
Edit........just checked our last one (2007) was 7 stages and 98 rounds.
Of that we can agree.............there is certainly a smell at times.
Guys it is a game of skill and Fun. Small targets me more challenge and complexity in a smaller area.
Ask yourself the question if our targets where banned and we had to use frangible (clay pigeons, water bottles, pop cans) or bulls eye targets would you still play?
Ask yourself the question if our targets where banned and we had to use frangible (clay pigeons, water bottles, pop cans) or bulls eye targets would you still play?
