H&K MR308 coming soon!

Those HK weld's are pretty little marks. I like how they are exposed on the old HK roller locked guns. Visable or not, the roller locked guns were very high quality.

I'll now pick a fight and rehash that the plastic G36/XM8 won the high profile dust trial.

Given the choice I'll take a new roller locked gun but the G36 does perform in harsh tests.

Rich
 
I've put my hopes on the Kel-Tec ;) Filled out the end user agreement a number of months ago.

Does it still remain undetermined for the class it falls into ? Maybe I'll sign an end user as well for one. I'd rather have the H&K but it will be a restricted.
 
Does it still remain undetermined for the class it falls into ? Maybe I'll sign an end user as well for one. I'd rather have the H&K but it will be a restricted.

The first ones will be 18" and are currently classified as restricted. We'll be measuring barrels to see if that holds up to scrutiny.

The 24" is already classified as non-restricted, but it's release will be even later than the 18".
 
sorry to highjack but is the swiss arms SAPR restricted and/or here in Canada...sorry been out of the gun news for awhile.
 
I would take a HK over a Knight armamanet rifle any day.

Owning models of both, I'd say that is a fairly bold statment. I'd also wager a guess that it is one made with limited knowledge of one (or possibly both?) of the manufacturer's products.

I think they both put out fantastic firearms, and am glad there is or going to be opportunities for consumers to choose.
 
Owning models of both, I'd say that is a fairly bold statment. I'd also wager a guess that it is one made with limited knowledge of one (or possibly both?) of the manufacturer's products.

I think they both put out fantastic firearms, and am glad there is or going to be opportunities for consumers to choose.

I agree. All about personal choice. And frankly I think that KevinB keeps his comments very fair about all products even though he works at Knights Armaments. Nice to have the inside track on different system platforms.
 
As far as KAC/KMC internet presence really its just my boss Lt. Col. Dave Lutz - VP of Military Operations "coldblue", C. Reed Knight III "Trey" who will post as 030 or III, and I.

I don't really have any good Hk contacts anymore, as most of them left, and to a man no-one thats left Hk-USA has anything good to say about Hk-USA or Hk-O.

FN, has several folks on the net --Clint Lynch (ex KAC employee) BrettW, and several others are on some forums, and they are good guys trying to be of help thru the muddles seas of the internet as well.



Hk's made some great guns, however they have also dont some incredibly bone headed manuvers, ignoring LAV and Ken Hackathorn on the Hk45 - DUMB.

Hk has some very talented engineers, heck Hk won the USMC IAR downselect beating out two Colt designs (one with our heatsink) and the FN SCAR based system, with their Hk416IAR, which is effectively a heavy barreled 16" Hk416.


That said:
I've owned Hk416's and I've shot a few government ones, in watching hi-speed video of these, and several other piston M16FOW's, I'm determined that going piston is NOT the solution to weapon lifespan and reliability.
 
KevinB, what's your opinion on the Benelli MR1/Beretta Rx4 (aesthetics aside)?

Specifically, I'm interested in the gas system.

(Sorry for the mini-hijack)
 
Yeah, Knights seems to keep a couple of people on staff that hit the forums hard. Can not say the same thing for HK/FN, and many other manufacturers for that matter.


+1

Look I own knights product, and I firmly believe in the company, but H&K is always number 1 in most cases. Mind you the difference on the battlefield is minimal considering most aspects of Infantry combat, they all fire the same rounds of ammunition primarily.

People buy products from different manufactures for many reasons, some because of there experience & trust that is earned over time, others because its the nationalist thing to do.

People on this forum compare many rifles against each other for reasons that make little sense when looking at it from a rational point of view. Generally speaking newer is better, but not always, considering companies are in competition with each other, they always launch new rifles to beat the other guy.

The thing is with H&K is that they always raise the bar, and then the other manufactures start launching new products to counter after the fact.

The most obvious reason H&K is usually on top is the amount of misinformation that is sent about many of their rifles, which border's either on downright lies or ignorance.

For example the amount of BS that was pumped out about the G36 series was hysterical to say the least. The worst part is that companies especially in the US tend to use the tactics of constantly repeating lies to the shooting community till they believe it.

You have to look at when the rifle was completed by the date, this will give you an idea of how companies will wait for the particular companies to release it's new product. Once they do that, the competing company will test that new toy, launch a propaganda campaign, and then release there new product after. (Common knowledge)

For instance with the 416, all the other companies begain to produce there own gas piston design well after H&k did, no other company bother to do this, even though it was know in the firearm manufacturing world as an alternative. A guy named Al zitter back in the 80's started making some apparently & stoner had the idea as well.

But know one else bothered and H&K did not have the lisence to make an AR/M4 variant or couldn't till the patents were useless in the court of law.(And They Still got Sued).

Conclusion:
If you have the option between the two manufactures of Knight's or HK, buy whatever you can afford or get, whatever suits your fancy, either way you will be in good hands!
 
Actually the piston Hk gun, was created when Larry Vickers was in Combat Developments at CAG.
What happens is the unit put feelers out to industry, as they still do when they have a need statment for items, or seek a PIP for a current in service item.

You need to remember they used to issue Sig552's - had KAC build a M4 lower for the 552 to retain muscle memory, (down memory lane - this is where the CQB morphed into SPR-V, which morphed into SCAR)

Hk was definitely not the first piston AR, but they have given it effort.

I'm not trying to bash Hk - my alltime favourite LMG is the Hk21 - who does not love a DM BeltFed?

However I will tell you that Hk IMHO did not solve the carrier tilt issue in the Hk416 or Hk417, as high round count guns will demonstrate.


Hk got sued over the use of the M4 moniker, where they called it the M4C and M4D, when they called it the Hk416 - no problems.
 
Actually the piston Hk gun, was created when Larry Vickers was in Combat Developments at CAG.
What happens is the unit put feelers out to industry, as they still do when they have a need statment for items, or seek a PIP for a current in service item.

You need to remember they used to issue Sig552's - had KAC build a M4 lower for the 552 to retain muscle memory, (down memory lane - this is where the CQB morphed into SPR-V, which morphed into SCAR)

Hk was definitely not the first piston AR, but they have given it effort.

I'm not trying to bash Hk - my alltime favourite LMG is the Hk21 - who does not love a DM BeltFed?

However I will tell you that Hk IMHO did not solve the carrier tilt issue in the Hk416 or Hk417, as high round count guns will demonstrate.


Hk got sued over the use of the M4 moniker, where they called it the M4C and M4D, when they called it the Hk416 - no problems.

I know you are legit, and an invaluable source of update current info especially on this forum!

Tell me more about the carrier tilt problem though, i have herd similar issues, mind you this after the rifles have gone through and reached there set limits on rounds through them.
 
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How serious is the carrier tilt issue when the HK416 won the Marines IAR trials?
I don't know so I'm asking,
At what point does carrier tilt become an issue? Is it after 50 -60 K when a standard issue M4 has been through several barrels and bolts ect.?

I would think the Marines would have shot the shxt out of the guns in the IAR trials.

Rich
 
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