Actually that was a weekend fun trip - but yeah when guns and ammo are provided by work, its not all that bad...
Best/Most effective AR compensator
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Actually that was a weekend fun trip - but yeah when guns and ammo are provided by work, its not all that bad...
Just wondering....
Are you getting the Triple Tap because you're better than the average guy and the PWS isn't good enough, or because it's the next new and and expensive toy?
I've got the TT on my AR build list, because it appears to be the best. Seeing as I already buy snapon tools, why would I put a princess auto muzzle brake on my rifle?
PaveHammer
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Wicked,
I'm buying the TT because, frankly, I can. I choose to buy the best when I can afford to, even if that requires the sacrifice of other firearms or hobbies. And it just so happens that the TT is the best.
Is it over the top for my application? Certainly. I don't need a sacrificial baffle for a suppressor, just like I don't need a threaded barrel for my M&P45 - I can't buy a suppressor. However, I like it.
Brad
I'm buying the TT because, frankly, I can. I choose to buy the best when I can afford to, even if that requires the sacrifice of other firearms or hobbies. And it just so happens that the TT is the best.
Is it over the top for my application? Certainly. I don't need a sacrificial baffle for a suppressor, just like I don't need a threaded barrel for my M&P45 - I can't buy a suppressor. However, I like it.
Brad
In all reality I believe there is no discernable difference between the KAC TT or the PWS .
In the end it is all about the bling and for many the rifles that will get adorned with the latest and greatest bling still end up sitting in the gun safe because they can't afford to shoot it
In the end it is all about the bling and for many the rifles that will get adorned with the latest and greatest bling still end up sitting in the gun safe because they can't afford to shoot it
I figured that's what it was. I must have misunderstood the tone of your previous message.
I consider myself an average shooter, so maybe I'll save $530 bucks and just get the PWS. And as a bonus, that $530 is a case of ammo to get more practice.
theoretically speaking
I'm not going to claim that some particular make / model is a cure for all ARs around... Simply because even theoretically muzzle brake can be made to perform the best with ONE combination of gun/ammo ONLY.
MB being a gas-operated device depends on pressure, velocity and total weight of gas exiting through the ports to create forward and downward vectors of force compensating for recoil and muzzle rise. Simple, right? Add here the dimensions/sequence/shapes/locations of ports - it's gonna be fun to simulate!
Variations are unlimited, e.g.:
Shorter barrel > higher pressure > overcompensation down.
Different ammo > higher/lower pressure, powder type/charge., different timing.
I'm not even touching the weight of gun and it's moving parts, dynamics of the system through the firing...
Bottom line: if you're on a quest to find an ultimate MB settle on your gun configuration and ammo first. It's much easier if both provided by the government.
s>
I'm not going to claim that some particular make / model is a cure for all ARs around... Simply because even theoretically muzzle brake can be made to perform the best with ONE combination of gun/ammo ONLY.
MB being a gas-operated device depends on pressure, velocity and total weight of gas exiting through the ports to create forward and downward vectors of force compensating for recoil and muzzle rise. Simple, right? Add here the dimensions/sequence/shapes/locations of ports - it's gonna be fun to simulate!
Variations are unlimited, e.g.:
Shorter barrel > higher pressure > overcompensation down.
Different ammo > higher/lower pressure, powder type/charge., different timing.
I'm not even touching the weight of gun and it's moving parts, dynamics of the system through the firing...
Bottom line: if you're on a quest to find an ultimate MB settle on your gun configuration and ammo first. It's much easier if both provided by the government.
s>
PaveHammer
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Kingston, ON
Wicked,
You've hit the nail on the head - ammunition for training is a much better investment than the TT for probably 99% of Canadian AR shooters. I know I am a member of that 99%, but smart fiscal decisions haven't exactly been my trademark.
I like the shiny new AR parts - for example, I'll buy a BFG Redi-Mod if I can get a chance, regardless of the fact that two 5 round P-Mags for my restricted rifle are just slightly better than one.
Oh well. It's a hobby.
Brad
You've hit the nail on the head - ammunition for training is a much better investment than the TT for probably 99% of Canadian AR shooters. I know I am a member of that 99%, but smart fiscal decisions haven't exactly been my trademark.
I like the shiny new AR parts - for example, I'll buy a BFG Redi-Mod if I can get a chance, regardless of the fact that two 5 round P-Mags for my restricted rifle are just slightly better than one.
Oh well. It's a hobby.
Brad
pavehammer,
I got one and dont regret it one bit. why? Cause I can and I like shiny AR things too! You will love yours and it will be the only Muzzle break you will ever need
. Rifles seem to come and go, but I will keep the TT, and who knows with all the money I've wasted on this hobby maybe it is a far better investment in the long run as I dont think I will be upgrading and losing cash over this. when you get your TT make sure to post some pics.
I'd love to try it on a 10.5 or 11.5 as my 16 in middy is already quite soft to begin with.
You are spending $750 on something that "appears to be the best"? That is a lot of money to drop on mere speculation.
And this is based on ........... ?
Has there been a single comparitive test? Anyone published a quantitative test on the recoil reduction of the TT? Is there a single shred of scientific test data that the TT is any better than any other brake?
Just cause KAC makes it and the US army buys it, is not proof that it is "the best". That you blew a huge amount of money on something that other people can buy much more cheaply is also not any kind of proof that the TT is "the best".
Seriously - what is the point of this bickering. If someone wants to get the TT its their business. End of story.
What next you can only shoot .22 LR because some CGN "guru" tells you its cheap to feed
I shoot 700grain pills out of my 500 S&W - is it ok with CGN for me to do that?
What next you can only shoot .22 LR because some CGN "guru" tells you its cheap to feed
I shoot 700grain pills out of my 500 S&W - is it ok with CGN for me to do that?
FYI we have a mechanical recoil platform for a Recoil Management Program.
High speed video cameras are aprox 50k for what you need - pretty much out of the realm of inidividuals.
The best method to determine recoil management and controllability is observing full auto bursts, and to compare compensators, you'd really need to take the same ammo, same platfrom and swap compensators keeping everying else equal.
High speed video cameras are aprox 50k for what you need - pretty much out of the realm of inidividuals.
The best method to determine recoil management and controllability is observing full auto bursts, and to compare compensators, you'd really need to take the same ammo, same platfrom and swap compensators keeping everying else equal.
CGN Road Trip!!!
Titusville, Fl. here we come, I guess we have to do the Full Auto test and Silencer Shoot at your place then
Absolutely but has anyone published any kind of data collected in this manner? Does the TT offer 5x better recoil reduction than the current offerings in order to justify its price? Does it offer even a slightly better recoil reduction to justify all the Fanboys bleating on about how it is "The Best"?
Kev, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the TT isn't good or that maybe it is even better than the current offerings. My issue is with the legions of Fanboys who mindlessly blather on about how such-and-such is "The Best" without having seen a shred of test data or proof of their claims. They do this so they can justify having spend a huge amount of money on a shiny thing in order to impress their friends.
This is how "conventional wisdom" becomes folklore and BS trumps the truth. You know me and that I am not at all interested in BS. My only interest is in the truth and so I don't take any of the hype at face value. I find it liberating to actually think for myself rather than accepting the BS as gospel.
This is how "conventional wisdom" becomes folklore and BS trumps the truth. You know me and that I am not at all interested in BS. My only interest is in the truth and so I don't take any of the hype at face value. I find it liberating to actually think for myself rather than accepting the BS as gospel.
Ya, so.... It's fun, and my money. Just cause I like shiny kit, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work.
Dude, you're trying to poo poo stuff just a little too quick. You spend money on what you want, I'll spend it on what I want. That's called the free market place.
Besides, if you aren't prepared to purchase and try new stuff, how do YOU know it does or doesn't work? Part of the cool kit syndrome is trying stuff for yourself, rather than relying on what someone else says, or writes.
It's all part of the "greening" of the gun buyers world. Recycle/reuse, etc. It's good for the environment.
Again, it's fun and puts an interest in a hobby, rather than booze and dirty women. OK, let me re-phrase that last bit.
