that's right, website specs. i'll take their word for it. my no.1 rifles all weigh what the specs say,according to my scale (yes i just checked. even took the scope off one). whether these weights are exact or not, we are not talking about big differences. all i was trying to do was illustrate that the weights don't get drastically different unless you are comparing a sporter to a standard or varmint. i think arguing about barrel length as a method of weight saving is pointless, as the differences are negligible.