Poll for the Ruger no. 1 .303
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The No.1 medium sporter with a 26" barrel will be ~42.5" long and weigh 8.25 - 8.5lbs. Why do so many people want such a long, heavy club? The .303 will never be some long range lazer-esque cartridge. An RSI would be 36" long and 7lbs and a 1A Light Sporter would be 7lbs and 38.5" long - both are much more handy and give nothing up, practically speaking, ballistically.
So why the love for the increased weight and long barrel/overall length?
So why the love for the increased weight and long barrel/overall length?
#1..303
No doubt once Clay discusses this with Ruger, he will be in a better position to conduct a final poll of those of us who are committed to purchasing one in whatever the final configuration will be.
I voted for the 1S (as mentioned by others..that choice included either a 24" or 26" barrel) My choice is for the 26" as per all the reasons already identified by others with similar tastes/wants.
I think the existing poll has narrowed down the choices, and once Clay has some specific info from Ruger, I am sure he can/will list the different options available to us in those configurations.
For instance, if the decision is for a 1S, 26" barrel, standard wood, etc., maybe a 'few' can be ordered with upgraded wood for those of us willing to pay for same. (Having several custom #1's, and knowing the cost of same from private makers, I have no problem in upgrading factory wood if it is available)
In other words, while I am willing to get the Std 1S with 26' barrel, I am also willing to pay for upgraded wood if it is possible, and perhaps for a few other touches if it is possible.
Bottom line is that until Clay negotiates with Ruger and gets us data on exactly what can be done, for what Price, and whether or not some select upgrades are possible for a few pieces within the larger order, we are pretty well stymied on making a final decision.
Like a kid waiting for Xmas...anticipation sucks!!!!!!!!!!
No doubt once Clay discusses this with Ruger, he will be in a better position to conduct a final poll of those of us who are committed to purchasing one in whatever the final configuration will be.
I voted for the 1S (as mentioned by others..that choice included either a 24" or 26" barrel) My choice is for the 26" as per all the reasons already identified by others with similar tastes/wants.
I think the existing poll has narrowed down the choices, and once Clay has some specific info from Ruger, I am sure he can/will list the different options available to us in those configurations.
For instance, if the decision is for a 1S, 26" barrel, standard wood, etc., maybe a 'few' can be ordered with upgraded wood for those of us willing to pay for same. (Having several custom #1's, and knowing the cost of same from private makers, I have no problem in upgrading factory wood if it is available)
In other words, while I am willing to get the Std 1S with 26' barrel, I am also willing to pay for upgraded wood if it is possible, and perhaps for a few other touches if it is possible.
Bottom line is that until Clay negotiates with Ruger and gets us data on exactly what can be done, for what Price, and whether or not some select upgrades are possible for a few pieces within the larger order, we are pretty well stymied on making a final decision.
Like a kid waiting for Xmas...anticipation sucks!!!!!!!!!!
That is my thinking, too. Going wiht a longer barrel than the 1-A is going ot give a velocity boost of maybe 50-100fps (maybe) and will be more of a burden to carry hunting.
The 1-A will be great to hunt with.
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I see no point in having a 9lb scoped .303. If I wanted one, I would buy one of the many milsurps out there and have it tapped.
A 1S or 1B has as much appeal in this caliber as a bench gun in 6.5x54 MS. The romance is lost when the rifle looses the stalking rifle appeal.
585 - some folks have mentioned the advantage of the 26" tube for reloaders. What advantage is that?
I figure a 174gr Hornady will do ~2600fps out of a 26" tube and ~2480fps out of the 20" barrel. When sighted in for 200 yards the drop at 300 will only be 1.3" more with the 20" barrel.
I figure a 174gr Hornady will do ~2600fps out of a 26" tube and ~2480fps out of the 20" barrel. When sighted in for 200 yards the drop at 300 will only be 1.3" more with the 20" barrel.
That is exactly what I was thinking. If you want to eek every last bit of velocity out of this cartridge, I would be content with exploring the stronger action.
I had a 24" barrelled .270 that shot 130gr TSX's at 3120ish with 60gr of H4831. I had a 20" barrelled Finnlite that shot 60fps slower with the same load. The Sako was by far handier and would leave the safe to hunt quicker because of it.
I don't see the point if it isn't a 1A or RSI. Just my opinion on the subject.
#1 .303
1899- My point is simply that those who handload for power/performance, are forever trying to push the velocity envelope by adding more powder/, powder with different burn rates etc. This increases pressure, & strains the cases (in this case wont hurt the rifle) shortens case life etc.
Extra inches of barrel will give those same 100-150FPS of velocity over the shorter barrel (26" vs 20"RSI) without the pressures. Having said that, those of us so inclined will STILL play with the increased pressure loads to get even more 'juice'.
Stoking up a cartridge, then firing it in a short barrel is a waste of time. all 'flash and bang' It gets even more important if you intend to shoot heavy bullets (215gr). The powders used for them will have a 'slower; combustion rate, and longer pressure curve. They need the barrel length to accelerate that bullet to its full capability before it leaves the muzzle.
A 26" barrel on a #1 is still shorter overall than most bolt action rifles with even a 22" barrel! I have a custom #1..338/378 with a 30" gaillard barrel and it is still OA shorter than my weatherby bolt actions.
I am awaiting delivery of another custom in that cal coming with a 34" tube.
again to get max performance out of the rifle cartridge it is chambered for.
Lilja barrels website (as well as other barrel makers sites have loads of info on Brl length Vs velocity) Still the most efficient means of increased performance.
In 303, I opt for the 26" barrel simply because Ruger doesnt make a 28 or 30 ", That would be the realm of a custom rifle. not a factory production which is what we are all trying to get here.
Sorry for the long winded explanation!!
1899- My point is simply that those who handload for power/performance, are forever trying to push the velocity envelope by adding more powder/, powder with different burn rates etc. This increases pressure, & strains the cases (in this case wont hurt the rifle) shortens case life etc.
Extra inches of barrel will give those same 100-150FPS of velocity over the shorter barrel (26" vs 20"RSI) without the pressures. Having said that, those of us so inclined will STILL play with the increased pressure loads to get even more 'juice'.
Stoking up a cartridge, then firing it in a short barrel is a waste of time. all 'flash and bang' It gets even more important if you intend to shoot heavy bullets (215gr). The powders used for them will have a 'slower; combustion rate, and longer pressure curve. They need the barrel length to accelerate that bullet to its full capability before it leaves the muzzle.
A 26" barrel on a #1 is still shorter overall than most bolt action rifles with even a 22" barrel! I have a custom #1..338/378 with a 30" gaillard barrel and it is still OA shorter than my weatherby bolt actions.
I am awaiting delivery of another custom in that cal coming with a 34" tube.
again to get max performance out of the rifle cartridge it is chambered for.
Lilja barrels website (as well as other barrel makers sites have loads of info on Brl length Vs velocity) Still the most efficient means of increased performance.
In 303, I opt for the 26" barrel simply because Ruger doesnt make a 28 or 30 ", That would be the realm of a custom rifle. not a factory production which is what we are all trying to get here.
Sorry for the long winded explanation!!
i voted 1A- light sporter... 22" barrel.
i want something light for carry. a 26" barrel will probably move it up to 8lbs+, as has been stated on this thread.
if i want a heavy 303 i can take out my 1910 ross or my #1mark3. i'll probably back off it it goes 26" for those reasons stated above. .. but i did say "probably"
i want something light for carry. a 26" barrel will probably move it up to 8lbs+, as has been stated on this thread.
if i want a heavy 303 i can take out my 1910 ross or my #1mark3. i'll probably back off it it goes 26" for those reasons stated above. .. but i did say "probably"
I know I stated in the other thread that I had no interest in a Canadian limited edition Ruger #1 but I voted the 1A light sporter with the fancy wood. If it's to be why not have a useful handy rifle since the .303 Brit is a recoil friendly cartridge?
Personally, I'd still prefer a non limited edition Ruger #1 in 7x57mm, though....
NAA.
Personally, I'd still prefer a non limited edition Ruger #1 in 7x57mm, though....
NAA.
who really cares about one pound either way? how can one pound make or break buying the firearm?
anything with wood is gonna be relatively heavy anyway
when it comes to shooting heavier is steadier
I bet if you hike all day hunting your gonna be tired even if your gun is a whopping one pound lighter.
I have a savage .243 synthetic which is very light like 7 pounds? and my p14 custom which is not (in the nieghborhood of 10.5 pounds scoped ) and the heavier gun is just flat out nicer to shoot FWIW
anything with wood is gonna be relatively heavy anyway
when it comes to shooting heavier is steadier
I bet if you hike all day hunting your gonna be tired even if your gun is a whopping one pound lighter.
I have a savage .243 synthetic which is very light like 7 pounds? and my p14 custom which is not (in the nieghborhood of 10.5 pounds scoped ) and the heavier gun is just flat out nicer to shoot FWIW
Actually guys I basically explained this once before. I want a rifle that approximates the dimensions of an original Farquharson I know about in the chambering. It actually has a 28" barrel and handles nicely. Secondly, I'm so damn far sighted I need the extra sight spread length and I still plan to extend that with either an NECG aperture or a tang mounted vernier aperture. Third, handloading for power is not a factor as it will probably never see a jacketed bullet down it's bore. I have a very nice bullet mould made sepcifically for the Brit. Maybe expand your thinking a bit on why other people want it different than you might like it.
Doesn't matter to me. If it doesn't go the way I'd like to see it there are other options I could take.
Doesn't matter to me. If it doesn't go the way I'd like to see it there are other options I could take.
I do, and probably others.
I'd like to keep the overall weight (scope incl) as close as possible to 8lbs. Any more than that is more than needed for a smaller medium bore.
Right, so why make it heavier?
Well if that "whopping one pound" doesn't make any difference for carrying, how will that "whopping one pound" make the gun steadier to shoot?
I've got a 375Mag that weighs 2lb less than your P14. I like it at that weight, besides I carry it more than I shoot it, so the overall weight is important.
Having said that ..... This poll much will be decided by the majority. My vote is only one, so I will have to accept the results and decide from there.
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I agree.
It would seem to me, it is time to repost the poll with only the top three categories. And then a couple days later repost it with the top two categories from there.
Personally, I'd still prefer a non limited edition Ruger #1 in 7x57mm, though....
NAA.
So why not just go buy one then?
http://ruger.com/products/no1LightSporter/models.html
