Going to Hunt with a Silent Load... :)

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broadhead67 said:
seem to recal a guy last year selling a single shot shotgun that he had developed a 45 long colt round for. said it was almost completely silent and quite accurate at modest distance.wish i had saved the page to reread .sounded quite interesting
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I remember that one, I was very interested in it, I contacted the guy about it for info for another project. I'm pretty sure it was ardent
Give him a shout, I'm sure he'll tell ya anything you want to know.
 
Camp Cook said:
TB is a bit slower burning powder than the Tite-Group powder I used but it is bulkier.

Here is a link to a burn rate chart that includes TB http://www.imrpowder.com/burn-rate.html Tite-Group that I used is at 10 and TB is listed @ 14.

From what I have read this powder is not sensitive to its position in the case but that is in handgun cases.

I think it will work but the idea is to use the fastest burning powder so that it is completely used up before the bullet exits.
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I think TB powder was designed for CASS style shooting.
Lite loads, big cases.

38SP, 45 colt, 4570etc...

Rifles are part of the game.
 
If your first shot misses!

My advice/opinion, diatribe, or whatever you want to call it.

After the first "click", if your first shot misses, you might want to:
- check the cartridge for a misfire, failing that
- check your bore to make sure it isn't plugged, this would be a REAL concern of mine, failing that
- grab your gun by the barrel, rush out and club said deer on the head (might not be as quiet as you'd like, but probably just as effective).

I'd have to go with the first response you got from "Broncoo": why not just use a bow and arrow?

You sure like to :stirthepot2: don't you.
 
Thanks CC for your info.

IMO A WFN heavy weight 45cal bullet doesn't need to expand to create a sufficient wound channel to kill - just enough snuff to travel thru the vitals. Using 300fps is definitely a brinkmanship thing. But CC should be able to experiment with it if he wants and will probably work out an effective enough load in the end I'm guessing. I'll be interested in his results when he gets to shootin that yote first and then the deer if that works out.

Lots of "spewing" - hand wringing nay sayers saying you "ought not" as soon as you try something a bit off centre I've found. A technical question like "how do we do this" morphs into a moral statement - "you are wrong to try" and oh yah - I hope they charge you with something - ?????. Simply poor misguided souls that know so much that isn't so - IMO. CC was ready for them from his very first post on this. Not everyone's "cup of tea" for sure but I say "experiment on CC" and have your fun.
 
There is no question a 450 g bullet at 300 fps will kill a deer. You really should shoot wet paper. It would be interesting to hear the results. My personal guess is 7" in loosely bound soaked news print.

If you do kill a yotie after looking at the results set him on the ground and run one through him lengthwise just to see.
 
I agree - it will kill a deer. Someone who lives close to me used an arrow with one of those big (about 1/2" across) hard plastic small game shock tips with intent of "stinging" a flower eating w/t doe to make her stay out of their yard a few years back. That arrow penetrated and killed the deer. Poor bugger ended up sticking his deer tag on a doe that year.

It'll work.
 
I built some round ball "grouse loads" for my 358 with 231 pistol powder...they work awsome. I havent check the velocity but they are like a powerfull slingshot and pretty quiet.

The only thing wrong with them is the trajectory sucks, so when you are talking about throwing a solid out there at 300 fps I would be more concerned about shot placement, and figuring out exactly where/what you are shooting at.
You may very well be better off with a Bow.
 
Marlin375 said:
I built some round ball "grouse loads" for my 358 with 231 pistol powder...they work awsome. I havent check the velocity but they are like a powerfull slingshot and pretty quiet.

The only thing wrong with them is the trajectory sucks, so when you are talking about throwing a solid out there at 300 fps I would be more concerned about shot placement, and figuring out exactly where/what you are shooting at.
You may very well be better off with a Bow.
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I've been doing the same with my 45/70. Molds for the ruger old army cast to .457, so round balls and light bullets are easy to find. I also made a load of 3 round balls over some 2600, definately a deer buster at close range but forget about even 50 yards.
 
I've shot plenty of deer with the 45-70 at 1200fps with hard cast bullets that didn't expand. All the deer expired quickly. All the shots were heart lung.

I also shot a doe at 50 feet with a 44-40 at 900 fps, she gave no indication of being hit, other than rolling over and kicking her legs in the air after about two hops.

I played with silent loads with the 44-40, and shot some into end grain pine. The penetration was amazing. My bullets were the right way round, I think they were 255 grain hard cast lead, and got 4 to six inches into the end grain. The load was bullseye, and it was less than three grains. At 1.5 grains, I stuck a bullet in the bore. Easy to push out, as the lead did not obturate.
 
ruger22 said:
I think TB powder was designed for CASS style shooting.
Lite loads, big cases.

38SP, 45 colt, 4570etc...

Rifles are part of the game.
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Trail Boss granules look like doughnuts, this is so they can be larger by volume but not slow burning, thus filling the case with more powder volume than a typical conventional powder (ball, extruded or flake) but still giving a light load at the end of the day. It would likely be sensitive to case position, but in a pistol case (ie 44 special) it would fill the case more readily than an equivalent light load of titegroup.
 
At the risk of stirring the pot even more what about shooting this silent load at a big ham or a side of something to see just what it will do when it hits something that is that much closer to the real thing? That should settle it one way or the other.
 
220Swifty said:
Trail Boss granules look like doughnuts, this is so they can be larger by volume but not slow burning, thus filling the case with more powder volume than a typical conventional powder (ball, extruded or flake) but still giving a light load at the end of the day. It would likely be sensitive to case position, but in a pistol case (ie 44 special) it would fill the case more readily than an equivalent light load of titegroup.
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From what I have heard Trail Boss isn't sensitive to case position.
 
I did up some "cat sneeze" loads a few years ago that would penetrate half-way through a well seasoned block of Poplar, 16 inches in diameter .
I forget what they Chronoed at but I was trying for around 800 -900 fps...well under the speed of sound .
I was using a well lubed 145gr. cast bullet in my 280 Rem.(22 inch barrel) over 7 grains of Tite-wad .
My kid shot a big doe just over the heart with this load at 30 yds...she traveled 30 yds. before expiring .
Very little noise .
I'm thinking of trying some very low velocity bullets out of my 50 cal BP rifle....it has a real long barrel .
 
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