Using the slide stop to drop the slide on an empty chamber (IPSC Global Village)
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As a rule they don't, although the recoil spring on one is a bit light and I should swap it out. That does not mean that training to clear a jam has no value, just like purchasing run-flat tires doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to change a tire.
Thanks for the "old man" talk Bob but I'm well aware of the differences between the shooting disciplines. I agree that different disciplines attract different people. My comment regarding bullseye shooting was in reference to its applicability to high reliability service pistols. I never said I own firearms to kill people. I said my firearms are setup for their ORIGINAL intended purpose which is personal defense(or offense depending on the situation). Personal defense would be shooting and quite possibly killing people. As you say, just because a firearm is setup for a specific role doesn't necessarily mean it isn't capable of another. Same goes for my firearms. I set them up for real world use with reliability, practicality, and ease of use in mind. They also work well for three gun matches, training, and leisure shooting.
As for being a jerk. I call it as I see it. If you can't support your side you're wrong. Its that simple. I don't have the time to beat around the bush or tip toe around someone's feelings. You(not necessarily you Bob) have the right to be offended and that's where your rights end. If you're offended, then back up your statement or move along.
TDC
Limalife on dropping the slide on the empty chamber of a 1911 (YouTube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDT-ZgX0cp0
"After getting yet another reprimand for dropping my slide on the empty chamber of my 1911 I decided to get my facts straight. I emailed Wilson Combat and received this response:..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDT-ZgX0cp0
"After getting yet another reprimand for dropping my slide on the empty chamber of my 1911 I decided to get my facts straight. I emailed Wilson Combat and received this response:..."
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it's just something I learned NOT to do. But then again, I'm a 1911 guy.
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Always perform one dry fire down range after clearing the gun to truly make sure it's clear.
Why do you need to drop the hammer? All guns are always loaded. I only press the trigger when my sights are aligned with a target I am willing to destroy and have made the conscious decision to do so. A loaded firearm in a holster is no more or less dangerous than one that is unloaded. That being said, if you "cleared" the pistol and didn't touch it until you were told to load and make ready, where is the concern? Again, the concern comes from those who don't understand the fundamental four and are too ignorant to apply them. Too much finger f*cking of a firearm where its not appropriate by those who don't follow the fundamental four leads to a negligent discharge. This is the reason for the cold range and dropping the hammer after clearing a firearm.
Rarely have I ever seen someone actually look where their pistol(or rifle or shotgun) is pointed, acquire a sight picture then press the trigger. MOST merely point the firearm down range and slap the trigger without any thought as to what or who may be in front of it. This simply reinforces bad habits and the belief that "unloaded guns are safe".
TDC
Thanks for the incredibly obvious information, Maurice!
So, YOU store your pistols with the hammer cocked?
Well, seeing how Glocks are DAO pistols I can't store then "with the hammer cocked", but yes, I store them without the trigger being depressed, there is no reason to press the trigger unless you've decided to fire.
Let me ask this. Does anyone dry fire their revolver through all six chambers after shooting? Being a modern DA/SA design what makes a revolver any different than a modern DA/SA auto with an exposed hammer? If the chamber was visually and physically cleared along with the feed path why is it necessary to dry fire?
TDC
That is exactly what I said WAAAAAY back in this thread. On a 1911, it doesn't hurt the slide/chamber/gun, just the sear and hooks.
However if you pull the trigger before "dropping" the slide, the sear will not be engaged because the disconnecter is supporting the hammer, instead of the sear holding the hammer back. (Yea, yea, to those "finger off the trigger" guys, I know
So I am not advocating doing this unless you have a really good reason, such as if your gun is having hammer follow problems and you haven't fixed it yet.)Turns it to full auto? Awesome!!!!!!!!! I gotta go cycle my slide for awhile, lads!!!! Empty, of course.......
Who new a FA conversion was that simple?????
Paul
This is also where pulling the trigger when dropping the slide will prevent "full auto" if the sear and hooks are not engaging. So to stop a full auto "runaway" because of damaged sear/hooks, PULL THE TRIGGER.....
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If your pistol wears out becuase you left it cocked or slam the slide forward on a empty chamber, well its time to switch to a better made pistol lol
I have never ever seen a pistol worn out from slamming on a empty chamber, so stop treating your gun like your moms fine china
I have never ever seen a pistol worn out from slamming on a empty chamber, so stop treating your gun like your moms fine china
Glocks aren't DAO pistols; they are striker fired, "safe action" pistols. different design. DAO pistols usually have some type of hammer (exposed or otherwise) that strikes the firing pin when released, firing the gun.
IPSC range commands specify at the end of a stage that the shooter: "If finished, unload and show clear." R.O. then visually checks the presented open-breach firearm and issues the command, "IF clear, hammer down and holster." The competitor then drops the hammer on an empty chamber, further proving the gun is empty. The gun is then holstered and since our ranges are all "cold," we do not have the safety/liability headache of seeing all kinds of people walking around the ranges with pistols cocked and apparently loaded in their holsters.
As well, springs do take a set and if you leave one compressed long enough, it will reduce. Maybe not enough to matter in most duty guns, but in a tuned racing gun I prefer to get the maximum service life out of my springs, and reduce the risk of FTF in match conditions. So I don't store them in a compressed condition.
TDC is far to tacticool to understand the concept and you are about to receive a lecture on te four fundamentals of gun safety from him. This is the same guy who thinks our Armed Forces are a joke so trying to explain things like safety and liability issues is like talking to a rock and expecting an informed response.
Take Care
Bob
Well the four fundamentals are certainly a good thing to review once in a while. I guess I can stand the lecture if it indeed does come.
Actually most of mine are unloaded, yet I still check to make sure when I pick up the damn thing.
I would also imagine most if not all of my guns are unloaded at the moment.
That does not mean I don't do a quick safety check.
I wish they taught firearms safety rather than dogma at the courses.
Don't point at things that can die, keep your finger off the trigger, and use the safety if you have one, is basic enough. The other "rule" adds a false sense of safety I think.
Imagine grabbing your "loaded" gun from the stash and firing at a baddie trying to stab you in the nuts. Click...."Ah ####..."
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