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I am looking for a hunting rig for this fall and as it will be my first large animal rifle I am looking for some advice.
I am pretty much settled on .270 (likely tikka) but my question is between WSM and Win, is the WSM worth it? I am hearing that factory loads are 200ish fps faster but difficult to replicate with hand-loading (which I do, and will be doing for selected caliber).

Any comments/suggestions on caliber or rifle selection would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.
 
.300WinMag will be great for anything in Alberta. You'll have a lot longer shots that guys in Ontario and out east are used to.

Might be a BIT overkill for deer, but Moose and Elk are perfect. Shoots flatter and faster than 30-06 and .308.
 
.300WinMag will be great for anything in Alberta. You'll have a lot longer shots that guys in Ontario and out east are used to.

Might be a BIT overkill for deer, but Moose and Elk are perfect. Shoots flatter and faster than 30-06 and .308.

He said he'd settled for 270, A 300 WM would be a poor choice for most peoples first big game rifle. As for the short mag vs a long mag, flip a coin and don't let us know.
 
Ahh true - .270 will work too. .300WM was MY first big game rifle, but I'm a big guy so it's not intimidating.

In that case, .270 Win is fine. If you're out in the middle of nowhere and need more ammo, they'll have .270, but HIGHLY unlikely to have WSM.
 
Bought a Sako 85 in 270WSM for my boy. I love it. Works well easy to shoot. Glad he is only 14 months old. You will be pleased with the Tikka.
Enjoy.
 
I love my tikka too... nice a smooth action, and very accurate out of the box. Good trigger, and removeable mags are indestructable. Nice package for decent price. Just don't try to pimp it out - no accessories! :)
 
I bought a Browning Bar Safari in 270 Win and I will shoot any large game animal in Alberta with it. In 4 years of hunting it has taken 5 animals. 1 shot each. Price the components before deciding.
 
You didn't mention what you were going after and under what conditions, so looking at generalities...

The WSM seems to be developing a dedicated following. It does give a bit more range and a bit more energy. Against it is a bit more recoil, canucklehead's very astute point about ammo availability in Nowhere, Manitoba and possible expense. There's also a pet peeve about muzzle brakes next to me on the range knocking my fillings loose, but that's more personal than practical.

From my point of view, the .270 Winchester does everything I want it to. Maybe if I considered myself a good enough shot to be taking 500m shots at game, I'd want to upgrade. In the meantime, bigger is not automatically better for me.

Find the rifle the feels good in your hands; that's the most important thing.
 
.270 win for sure. Have used mine to take many deer with no problem. As for cartridge, the Hornady superformance rounds gain you the velocity of the short mag and are deadly accurate.
 
7mm Rem Mag.......recoils quite a bit less than the 300 but outperforms the 270 and 30-06....160's at 3000 will work for everything,..or load 140's to 3250-3300 for deer....not many cartridges will shoot a whole lot flatter than a good streamlined 140 gr .284" bullet at 3300fps muzzle velocity.
 
7mm Rem Mag.......recoils quite a bit less than the 300 but outperforms the 270 and 30-06....160's at 3000 will work for everything,..or load 140's to 3250-3300 for deer....not many cartridges will shoot a whole lot flatter than a good streamlined 140 gr .284" bullet at 3300fps muzzle velocity.
Well....the problem, the big problem with 7mm Mag, 270Win, 270WSM, etc, etc is that all those are meat wasters. With close up shots they pulverise, shred, bloodshot the meat and in the same time are not true big game cartridges. The 3006 starts the ball rolling in big game department with greatest variety of bullets and greatest flexibility. With 220grNP is adequate for grizzly and moose in the bush also with 150gr Barnes TSX at 3100FPS for deer at any sane distance in the prairies. The latest load would be very flat shooting, at par with many magnums especially if you AI it.
 
Well....the problem, the big problem with 7mm Mag, 270Win, 270WSM, etc, etc is that all those are meat wasters. With close up shots they pulverise, shred, bloodshot the meat and in the same time are not true big game cartridges. The 3006 starts the ball rolling in big game department with greatest variety of bullets and greatest flexibility. With 220grNP is adequate for grizzly and moose in the bush also with 150gr Barnes TSX at 3100FPS for deer at any sane distance in the prairies. The latest load would be very flat shooting, at par with many magnums especially if you AI it.

Depends on the bullet used i have used both 30-06 and 270 a 270 with a well constructed bullet does not do a lot more damage than a 30-06. If using a 150 grain partition in the 270 and a 150 grain partition in 30-06 the amount of damage to meat is negligable to say the least.
 
Depends on the bullet used i have used both 30-06 and 270 a 270 with a well constructed bullet does not do a lot more damage than a 30-06. If using a 150 grain partition in the 270 and a 150 grain partition in 30-06 the amount of damage to meat is negligable to say the least.

Nail on the head, Very little diference between 270 and 30-06. spend your money wisely, there's nothing a 270/30-06 cant do in a hunting situation. Sent you a PM
 
Well....the problem, the big problem with 7mm Mag, 270Win, 270WSM, etc, etc is that all those are meat wasters. With close up shots they pulverise, shred, bloodshot the meat and in the same time are not true big game cartridges. The 3006 starts the ball rolling in big game department with greatest variety of bullets and greatest flexibility. With 220grNP is adequate for grizzly and moose in the bush also with 150gr Barnes TSX at 3100FPS for deer at any sane distance in the prairies. The latest load would be very flat shooting, at par with many magnums especially if you AI it.
Not true big game calibers, say what. What happened to all the moose ,elk, bears etc that have been taken with these calibers,last I looked moose and elk are pretty big
 
Thanks all for the responses (PM's and posts). And for not being too hard on a newbie to hunting.

Looks like I'll probably be in the market for a .270 win after the advice I have received.

I have lots of time for planning and brass collecting----:D
 
Between the various cartridges available with a .277" bore, I would choose the .270 Winchester as well. Choose your rifle carefully, letting neither cost alone, nor the flavor of the moment distract you from making a wise purchase. Consider the quality of the rifle, the materials it is made from, and the features, and physical dimensions you want. It is not up to me to tell you one action is better than another, or that wood is better than synthetic, but the action should cycle smoothly and reliably without undue effort while at the shoulder.

Good wood for stock material is becoming increasingly difficult to find in a factory rifle, and uber expensive in a custom. In synthetics, stay away from cheap tupperware stocks, fiberglass is what you are after. A good fiberglass stock is far from cheap, but it is far cheaper than a piece of presentation grade wood. The fit of the rifle to the shooter is more important than many realize, but you might find a factory stock almost perfect, or you might have to try many types to find the right one. Don't rush into the first thing that catches your eye, take your time, look at as many options as you can, and enjoy the experience.

The trigger, is perhaps the most important and most often ignored component of a rifle. The break should be clean with no perceptible movement, neither creep nor over-travel. The reality of trying a number of off-the-shelf rifles may cause you to think that this is all but unobtainable, but some factory triggers come very close to the ideal. The weight applied to the trigger to cause the rifle to fire most agree should be between 3 and 4 pounds on a big game rifle. Should you choose a semi-auto, the trigger probably won't be as good as found on other actions due to the number of things that the trigger must accomplish; releasing the sear then catching it again. There is no need for the semi-auto's trigger to be horrible though, yet some are, while others are surprisingly good. If being able to adjust the trigger matters to you, I think you are pretty much stuck with a bolt gun, but not even all bolt guns have fully adjustable triggers.

I prefer to have iron sights on a big game rifle, and I enjoy shooting with irons. You may not, but you should consider the redundancy factor particularly if you hunt in true wilderness. While an open rear sight simplifies the mounting of the scope, the ghost ring and post provides the best precision, and some models are designed to flip down into the rear scope base.

Choose the scope with care as well. Leupold is the only make with a Canadian warranty center, and their turn around has always been very quick when I've had reticles changed, or new for me used scopes checked out. The advantage of the scope is that magnification is not the prime advantage, the advantage is that both the target and aiming point are in simultaneous focus. Don't get caught up into thinking that the more magnification you have the better your scope is. A variable power scope might make you rifle more versatile, but in truth a 2.5-8X is all you'll need over normal hunting ranges, even if you intend to use the rifle for coyotes now and then. Scope mounts should be strong, so avoid the cheap junk. The height of the scope above the bore is best when mounted as close to the barrel as possible, but you must be able to see through the scope when you have a good cheek weld on the stock.

Lastly, I like to have a shooting sling on my rifle, rather than a simple carry strap. The best of these IMHO is the Galco Safari Ching Sling, which allows very fast sling up time, with no more bulk than a cobra strap. If slinging up doesn't interest you, consider that your chance of hitting from supported positions increases about 30% if you can sling up.
 
With two years under my belt with the 270WSM now, I'd have to say it comes as close to being the perfect Alberta cartridge as there is. It is definitely well suited to the open country of the prairies and the rigors of the mountains and is more than capable of taking any big game animal that we can hunt here in Alberta. Nothing wrong with the .270Win.....it's just not the WSM:)

The Tikka T3 Lite and Sako A7 are great options in the .270WSM
 
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