Tavor factory rail + ADM Recon = fail

if it has to fit different types of optics , i don't even mention it, and i am not even sure it's possible .
Everybody wants it to co-witness, but what it has to co-witness if there is no rear sight ?????? can you tell me?
Well, if the original picatinny rail (from the Tavors of the 2nd batch) will be replaced,
then there will be no more rear sight,
as it will be gone together with the rail.



So, for starters, the gun needs a new rear BUIS (or rear sight of some kind).
One solution is to install a rear BUIS designed for AR15 on the new picatinny rail.

It would look something like that:
tav_0026.jpg





If the height of the rail is right,
the rear BUIS will work with the original Tavor front sight.
tav_0036.jpg

To zero the sights, the original Tavor front sight can be adjusted
for both elevation and windage,
and even the front post can be changed with an AR15 front post
(the AR15 front post can be had in different heights).
As a side note, for personal use, on many occasions I have modified the rear peep sight
of a BUIS by making a cut in the upper area of the diopter
and I ended up with a "U-notch" rear sight that
can be used for “holding” much better than a peep sight can.







As you know, different EoTech models can have different heights,
and for Aimpoint or other red dot systems
you can have mounts of different heights.
So, if the red dot has the right height, it will co-witness with the iron sights.
As a general rule, if you use a rear BUIS that is designed to work on AR15's,
then you have to use a red dot system that is designed to work on AR15's as well.

So, you have to do your homework
and find out exactly what red dot system (or mount) is designed
to work on AR15 flat tops
and exactly where in the window (what height from the bottom of the window)
you will see the iron sights if that particular red-dot/ mount will be assembled
on an AR15 flat top (because you use an AR15 rear BUIS):

tav_0021.jpg





The rail is long enough so you can use a magnifier (if permitted by the rear BUIS).
tav_0028.jpg

tav_0029.jpg








But if the rear BUIS is of the non-folding type (or if it is too long),
then it will be in the way of the magnifier piece.
This is a LMT non-folding rear BUIS:
tav_0023.jpg







I will have more answers and test results. in a couple of days.
 
Last edited:
sweet..

Nice job Doc! When are you going to start taking orders? :)

I have a first generation Tavor and if I don't want to use the BUIS can you build a longer rail that extends over the rear sight?

Are you planning on building these rails with various heights?

Cheers
 
When are you going to start taking orders? :)
When it is ready, it will be sold by at least one supporting dealer.
I am not the manufacturer/producer, somebody else will be.
Me, I only wanted to start the ball rolling (that's what I am, actually: a sh!t starter).
I will not see one dollar from all this, I only wanted to bring what I could
to the Tavor owners who wanted a longer rail.

It also has nothing to do with the “challenge” of somebody from this thread,
since I was going to make it anyway.



I have a first generation Tavor and if I don't want to use the BUIS can you build a longer rail that extends over the rear sight?
What BUIS is that you don't want to use?
(They are both BUIS).
The add-on BUIS that I suggest to be installed on the rail,
or the original BUIS that comes with the rifle?

First, if you suggest to make a rail that wraps around the rear factory sight
let me tell you that is not easy nor cheap and she won't be pretty.


The way I see things, you have 3 options here:
1. Get a gas tube without the factory rear sight if you can find one
(I have read somewhere it is 75 bux or so)
and you can use the rail from my previous pics,
2. Cut (mill off) your existing rear sight
(I am not advocating the mod of your gun) and again,
use the rail from my previous pics.
3. Keep the factory rear sight and use this particular rail, (in the 3 pics below),
that is exactly like the one in my previous pics, but without the “tail piece”
(however, you will have enough rail length for magnifying devices).
tav_011.jpg


tav_014.jpg


tav_012.jpg












Are you planning on building these rails with various heights
As I said, I am not the manufacturer,
so I cannot say what the future will bring.
So far, I can say that this rail
(in the 2 length versions, with or without the "tail piece")
will be out in few days.

As height, these rails (weather with or without the "tail piece) are roughly
about .080” taller than the Dlask rail of the first gen.

On the longer version of the rail (with the “tail piece”),
the add-on rear sight will work in tandem
with the existing (factory) front sight.
However, from gun to gun, there will be some differences, so as I said,
you may have to re-adjust the front sight or install
an AR15 front post of a more suitable height.

The rail without the “tail piece” will not affect in any way the relationship
between the front/rear sights.
 
Last edited:
I have a Tavor with a Dlask rail and have mounted all types of sights - EoTech, Aimpoint Comp, ACOG. I have found that the Dlask with the ACOG is the best sight and shoots a good group (provided the marksman is solidly still). My most recent outing with the Tavor has indicated that I need to spend a little more time being patient with my shots and slowing my heart rate before pulling the heavy Tavor trigger.

The ACOG does not co-witness, but my EoTech does.

Great stuff those Tavors!
 
So there will be two versions of the rail , correct ?

What is the dif in length and in height ?
Yes, as I said in my previous post, there will be 2 versions of the rail (2 different lengths):
One is for the Tavor with the plastic flip-on-the-side sight located on the gas tube.
It has 19 cuts (about 7.8”).

The other is longer, at about 9” (22 cuts) and it is meant to replace the short factory rail
found on the Tavor version without the flip-on-the-side rear sight
(that original picatinny that comes from the factory is too short and cannot accommodate
more than one red-dot device. People would like to install magnifiers, etc).

For comparison, the 1st and 2nd generations Dlask rails were 5.8” long (14 cuts).

Both of these NEW rails have the same height,
which is about .080” higher than the 1st generation Dlask rail.







This is ThomasThomas' rifle with the short version of the new rail (19 cuts).
Above it, for comparison, there is the long version of the new rail (22cuts),
meant for the Tavor without the flip-on-the-side mount.
tav_0045.jpg


tav_0038.jpg

tav_0039.jpg












How much are the two dif rails protrude in the front ?
Thanks
Exactly like you see in the above pics.
At the front, both rails end at the same point.
I wanted the factory front sight to be usable, that means
to be able to deploy without interferring with the rail.

tav_0044.jpg
 
Last edited:
The short ones were the first to be anodized,
the long ones coming very soon.

It will be anounced here who will sell them.
The manufacturer said they are $85 retail.


jta_011.jpg


jta_022.jpg


jta_023.jpg


jta_015.jpg






Co-withnessing:


jta_012.jpg
 
Last edited:
Resurrect an older thread, but its exactly what the OP stated...I didn't see it until now. My ADM mount doesn't fit an OEM Tavor rail.....it won't sit flat and lock down on the rail properly.

Is this just because the OEM Tavor rail is a different spec, or did I get a flawed rail? The Mep-21 fits fine.
 
Would that rail allow a Elcan to co witness with the iron sights ?

mind ou the Elcan is more easly removed from the rail than a Acog.
 
Resurrect an older thread, but its exactly what the OP stated...I didn't see it until now. My ADM mount doesn't fit an OEM Tavor rail.....it won't sit flat and lock down on the rail properly.

Is this just because the OEM Tavor rail is a different spec, or did I get a flawed rail? The Mep-21 fits fine.

My ARMS #35 fits fine but it has only one cross bar, but good to know that the ADM will not fit cus was thinking about getting one. Also interest to know if the Tavor rail is mil-spec, I will measure with my caliper.

Nice rail Lector.
 
Back
Top Bottom