The NEW KING is taking off!

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JasonS, sorry about hearing of your condition. Hope the prognosis is good and that your health improves. Don't worry about how we may have taken your comments, after all this is the internet and most of the stuff being typed here is good fun!

That being said... The New King Lives in the .375 Ruger!
 
troutseeker said:
JasonS, sorry about hearing of your condition. Hope the prognosis is good and that your health improves. Don't worry about how we may have taken your comments, after all this is the internet and most of the stuff being typed here is good fun!

That being said... The New King Lives in the .375 Ruger!
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You know what boys I know that it's all just a bunch of guys bantering about gun stuff. Nothing is ever meant to be personal. But being home these weeks I'm glad Gunnutz is around to help kill time. I've got cabin fever in the extreme!

So keep it coming, this Princess is tougher than you think!
 
Tumbleweed said:
The 'New King' is taking off on another trip promoting margarine....:D...'pretend' butter.

Real men shoot Hollands superb .375.

Wannabes shoot the Ruger .375 Pretender.:p
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For myself I now have a hardtime with a superfluous belt on a brass case. When I was a teenager it was one of those cool phrases "Joe shoots a belted magnum!" I'm an accuracy junky and a case that is headspacing on it's shoulder is always gonna have a better chance at being accurate. That's factory or virgin loaded brass not fireformed. All fireformed and neck sized brass will be accurate. But to go buy factory ammo only the edge goes to beltless.
 
The .375 H&H was only the second cartridge to feature a belt, if I remember correctly, and it was purely functional. The H&H uses a belt due to it's small shoulder, which improves feeding to silky smoothness, as an insurance policy when chambering a round hard in DG situations. All the .300 Win Mag snipers seem to have no issue with belts either... :) It was a fad on the "belted mags" of the mid 20th century, but not on the H&H.

JasonS said:
For myself I now have a hardtime with a superfluous belt on a brass case. When I was a teenager it was one of those cool phrases "Joe shoots a belted magnum!" I'm an accuracy junky and a case that is headspacing on it's shoulder is always gonna have a better chance at being accurate. That's factory or virgin loaded brass not fireformed. All fireformed and neck sized brass will be accurate. But to go buy factory ammo only the edge goes to beltless.
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Ah, the Ruger .375 - a .375 for short strokers, those handicapped hunters who can't use a belt (suspenders maybe?) and feel overwhelmed by that last quarter inch.:p

.375 Ruger guys eat quiche, go hunting in pink Smart Cars, and wound button bucks.

H&H guys eat steak, drive khaki Land Rovers, and kill kudus and elephants and big bitey things..:D
 
Ardent said:
The .375 H&H was only the second cartridge to feature a belt, if I remember correctly, and it was purely functional. The H&H uses a belt due to it's small shoulder, which improves feeding to silky smoothness, as an insurance policy when chambering a round hard in DG situations. All the .300 Win Mag snipers seem to have no issue with belts either... :) It was a fad on the "belted mags" of the mid 20th century, but not on the H&H.
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Ardent my potential accuracy comparison is based on mass produced hunting grade rifles. Even the term "sniper" precludes those rifles from being used in a comparison because by their very nature sniper rifles are built specifically for accuracy and therefore on a higher level than a mass produced hunting rifle. My theory is based on bone stock rifles and factory ammo only.

But nice try though..........:p
 
JasonS said:
Ardent my potential accuracy comparison is based on mass produced hunting grade rifles. Even the term "sniper" precludes those rifles from being used in a comparison because by their very nature sniper rifles are built specifically for accuracy and therefore on a higher level than a mass produced hunting rifle. My theory is based on bone stock rifles and factory ammo only.

But nice try though..........:p
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Not a "try", I've owned probably a hundred rifles by now, and never once noticed any accuracy difference between belted and standard. I do a lot of shooting, and my most accurate rifle is a belted .375 H&H. It makes absolutely zero difference, especially if that brass has been fired once. Hunting's my #1 preoccupation, couldn't care less about a 0.0005 MOA difference, if it existed. :)
 
I've shot WAAAAAAY too many belted magnum rounds with superb accuracy to believe that eliminating the belt is going to work miracles for accuracy in a hunting rifle.:p
 
JasonS said:
For myself I now have a hardtime with a superfluous belt on a brass case. When I was a teenager it was one of those cool phrases "Joe shoots a belted magnum!" I'm an accuracy junky and a case that is headspacing on it's shoulder is always gonna have a better chance at being accurate. That's factory or virgin loaded brass not fireformed. All fireformed and neck sized brass will be accurate. But to go buy factory ammo only the edge goes to beltless.
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Speaking as an avid hunter and frequent F-class competitor, I have to totally disagree with this statement.
Some of the most consistently accurate rifles I have ever owned have been or are belted magnums, regardless of whether the belt is responsible for that or not. If you don't like belted cartridges that is your choice.
As far as I'm concerned if a cartridge / rifle is really accurate, I'll take it belt or no belt....
 
Ardent said:
Not a "try", I've owned probably a hundred rifles by now, and never once noticed any accuracy difference between belted and standard. I do a lot of shooting, and my most accurate rifle is a belted .375 H&H. It makes absolutely zero difference, especially if that brass has been fired once. Hunting's my #1 preoccupation, couldn't care less about a 0.0005 MOA difference, if it existed. :)
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Thanks for helping me make my point. I'm using stock hunting rifles and factory (new not fire formed and neck sized) ammo. Once you fire form a belted case it is now equal to a factory beltless that headspaces on the shoulder and therefor more concentric to the bore.
 
Kevan said:
Speaking as an avid hunter and frequent F-class competitor, I have to totally disagree with this statement.
Some of the most consistently accurate rifles I have ever owned have been or are belted magnums, regardless of whether the belt is responsible for that or not. If you don't like belted cartridges that is your choice.
As far as I'm concerned if a cartridge / rifle is really accurate, I'll take it belt or no belt....
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Did you shoot factory loads with their full length sized virgin brass or fire formed neck sized reloads? I am stating that a case that headspaces on the shoulder rather than a belt will sit more centered in the bore with factory loads. Thereby offering an accuracy edge. I shot the barrels off of a couple 7mm Rem Mags. One of my favourites. And I experienced that fire formed cases shrunk the groups in half with reloads and taylored reloads got smaller still.
 
JasonS said:
Thanks for helping me make my point. I'm using stock hunting rifles and factory (new not fire formed and neck sized) ammo. Once you fire form a belted case it is now equal to a factory beltless that headspaces on the shoulder and therefor more concentric to the bore.
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Nope, you're moving back to out to lunch/making me groan territory, and I thought you were just coming back. There's not a speck of difference bud, but you can tell yourself there is if you really, really like. :) What you're telling me is you're a shooter that buys the hype. My comment only refers to if one were chasing bench rest scores, to the .0005 MOA stuff I was talking about, even then I say that in jest. The best groups any of my hunting rifles have ever fired come from my .375 H&H Ruger RSM, with virgin/unfired brass. As even an F Class shooter just told you, there's no difference.
 
Ardent said:
Nope, you're moving back to out to lunch/making me groan territory, and I though you were just coming back. There's not a speck of difference bud, but you can tell yourself there is if you really, really like. :) What you're telling me is you're a shooter that buys the hype. My comment only refers to if one were chasing bench rest scores, to the .0005 MOA stuff I was talking about, even then I say that in jest. The best groups any of my hunting rifles have ever fired come from my .375 H&H Ruger RSM, with virgin/unfired brass. As even an F Class shooter just told you, there's no difference.
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Awesome. Then it's settled. I know what .375 I want now.

Gatehouse: I've shot WAAAAAAY too many belted magnum rounds with superb accuracy to believe that eliminating the belt is going to work miracles for accuracy in a hunting rifle.
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And thanks to Gatehouse's endorsement of belted magnums it will be a .375 H&H.

ARDENT FOR THE WIN:sniper: :dancingbanana:
 
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