marstar 70,000/10,000 SKS, eta aug 20th, price $189 new military.

So when are these coming really?

As with every SKS shipment thats been announced in a thread like this, take the supposed date, add 6 months for what the revised date will end up being, add on an additional 6 months, and if they come in sooner, be happy.

I think the first big IZH russian shipment was around 9 months later than expected, due to a million different factors involved with getting the rifles here.
 
I don't know why it takes that long. It takes me 3 month or less to bring a container in. Also I spend 2 weeks there choosing what I want myself.
As with every SKS shipment thats been announced in a thread like this, take the supposed date, add 6 months for what the revised date will end up being, add on an additional 6 months, and if they come in sooner, be happy.

I think the first big IZH russian shipment was around 9 months later than expected, due to a million different factors involved with getting the rifles here.
 
I don't know why it takes that long. It takes me 3 month or less to bring a container in. Also I spend 2 weeks there choosing what I want myself.

I think it's because you typically bring in guns numbered in the hundreds, while Marstar is about to export 70,000 rifles in bulk from a foreign government.

Even if only 10,000 of these go to Canada (think of registering 10,000 guns all at once!) and the remainder go to the US (that's a LOT of state dept paperwork!) - John still has to pay someone to go to Africa and sort the wheat from the chaff, which he has said is going to the smelter.

The guns are probably palletized and need to be pulled, inspected, re-palletized, and loaded into one of several shipping containers.

Then these guns have to get shipped to North America - figure on at least a month for that - perhaps longer depending what route the ship takes.

Finally, once in Canada, Marstar has to grade the rifles, file all their internal registration paperwork to facilitate the transfers as people buy them, etc. This will also take some time.

None of this takes into account whatever paper hurdles are in the country of origin.
 
Claven I don't bring in hundreds I bring in thousands. I am a wholesaler first and then mail in order store. My next container due to arrive is 40" one. I go through same thing as John. I fly out to choose which ones I want to bring. Each and every rifle I inspect for quality. Shipping is 1.5 month from Russian port to the port Vancouver. Registration takes 1 day for me for each 2500 hundred rifles. Anyway maybe things different in Africa. As to sending something to states. It is too much to bother. Not worth it.

I think it's because you typically bring in guns numbered in the hundreds, while Marstar is about to export 70,000 rifles in bulk from a foreign government.

Even if only 10,000 of these go to Canada (think of registering 10,000 guns all at once!) and the remainder go to the US (that's a LOT of state dept paperwork!) - John still has to pay someone to go to Africa and sort the wheat from the chaff, which he has said is going to the smelter.

The guns are probably palletized and need to be pulled, inspected, re-palletized, and loaded into one of several shipping containers.

Then these guns have to get shipped to North America - figure on at least a month for that - perhaps longer depending what route the ship takes.

Finally, once in Canada, Marstar has to grade the rifles, file all their internal registration paperwork to facilitate the transfers as people buy them, etc. This will also take some time.

None of this takes into account whatever paper hurdles are in the country of origin.
 
Claven I don't bring in hundreds I bring in thousands. I am a wholesaler first and then mail in order store. My next container due to arrive is 40" one. I go through same thing as John. I fly out to choose which ones I want to bring. Each and every rifle I inspect for quality. Shipping is 1.5 month from Russian port to the port Vancouver. Registration takes 1 day for me for each 2500 hundred rifles. Anyway maybe things different in Africa. As to sending something to states. It is too much to bother. Not worth it.

NEWS from John:the price will be 189$
 
corneluc:

Last I had from Marstar was that $189 would be the price for the new ones comming from the PLA in China.

The 70,000 surplus ones from Africa, as far as I know, are not yet priced.
 
corneluc:

Last I had from Marstar was that $189 would be the price for the new ones comming from the PLA in China.

The 70,000 surplus ones from Africa, as far as I know, are not yet priced.

Thanks,I was confused:Military chinese SKS coming from all directions to Marstar:China,Africa......
So the SKS coming from China will be 189$ at Marstar.
 
We are about to put up the pictures on facebook, they clearly show that these rifles are new and have matching numbers on every part and component....
Our target price with cleaning accessories and sling $189.oo John

could somebody please post some pics when it appears on FB?
 
The price point will only matter if the rifles are coming from arsenals not regularly seen in Canada. A Chinese SKS for $189.99 is the "normal" upper price, and $189.99 for a Russian SKS is the "normal" price. If their shipment contains other arsenals like Korea, Germany, Albania, Sino Soviet, Poland, Romania, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam, or Yugoslavia, then $189.99 is a bargain, and a lot of collectors (like me) will be happy.
 
The price point will only matter if the rifles are coming from arsenals not regularly seen in Canada. A Chinese SKS for $189.99 is the "normal" upper price, and $189.99 for a Russian SKS is the "normal" price. If their shipment contains other arsenals like Korea, Germany, Albania, Sino Soviet, Poland, Romania, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam, or Yugoslavia, then $189.99 is a bargain, and a lot of collectors (like me) will be happy.

I have 3 SKS already and I am too wondering why I should buy this one.

Yes, I read what John wrote before, that the Chinese military ones are so much better than the Norinco ones BUT is that really so?

My Norinco SKS is a good shooter already considering the surplus ammo. Can it get any better and if so, how?

I am more interested in rifles which look different or have different funtionality (like the SKS-D for example).
 
The Chinese "military/police surplus" ones currently in the country for sale by dealers are much better than the "commercial made" ones that were made between 1960 and 1990. They were made to higher standards as their application were not civilian.
 
How does someone find out if they have a Norinco sks or a Chinese military sks ? I bought 2 sks's from frontier # 15 million and 16million from factory 306 . Are these military or norinco's ? Btw they shoot better than my Russians.

cheers
 
If ou check out the photos on Marstar's Facebook page, you will see that the sample gun they show is a typical Factory 306. It looks like the PLA is shipping Marstar their guns from the same depot that sent guns recently to Tradex and North Sylva.

In other words, Marstar is not going to be a game-changer on this new Chinese military SKS import. Other dealers are already at the $189 price point - some are even lower - with the Factory 625 and 306 guns.

What may prove more interesting is if the 70,000 African ones are more varied.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised. With Marstar's relationship with the Chinese Norinco group, I'd have thought John would ensure they'd at least get guns from a different depot or arsenal so that they are selling a somewhat different product than everyone else.

As for difference between military and commercial, the easiest tells are:

Military production rifles have:
1) triangle factory code stamps on the receiver.
2) Serial numbered stock (unless it's restocked).
3) No english anywhere on the rifle, especially not the calibre or the word "norinco".
4) On some guns, there will be Chinese Characters spelling "type 56", but not on all of them. For example, Factory 306 has the characters, factory 625 does not, but both are military issue SKS rifles.

And before someone mentions it, whether the gun is pinned or threaded makes no difference. Neither does the number of stamped parts. Chinese military guns have all types of prats depending on factory and year of manufacture.
 
If ou check out the photos on Marstar's Facebook page, you will see that the sample gun they show is a typical Factory 306. It looks like the PLA is shipping Marstar their guns from the same depot that sent guns recently to Tradex and North Sylva.

In other words, Marstar is not going to be a game-changer on this new Chinese military SKS import. Other dealers are already at the $189 price point - some are even lower - with the Factory 625 and 306 guns.

What may prove more interesting is if the 70,000 African ones are more varied.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised. With Marstar's relationship with the Chinese Norinco group, I'd have thought John would ensure they'd at least get guns from a different depot or arsenal so that they are selling a somewhat different product than everyone else.

As for difference between military and commercial, the easiest tells are:

Military production rifles have:
1) triangle factory code stamps on the receiver.
2) Serial numbered stock (unless it's restocked).
3) No english anywhere on the rifle, especially not the calibre or the word "norinco".
4) On some guns, there will be Chinese Characters spelling "type 56", but not on all of them. For example, Factory 306 has the characters, factory 625 does not, but both are military issue SKS rifles.

And before someone mentions it, whether the gun is pinned or threaded makes no difference. Neither does the number of stamped parts. Chinese military guns have all types of prats depending on factory and year of manufacture.


Thanks for the info.

Mine must be the chinese military issue sks's "Frontier Firearms" since both are what you describe.

cheers
 
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The Chinese "military/police surplus" ones currently in the country for sale by dealers are much better than the "commercial made" ones that were made between 1960 and 1990. They were made to higher standards as their application were not civilian.

What means much better? My Norinco SKS shoots great and I don't have any quality issues.
 
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