Unrestricted going restricted

remember the m14 ( the real deal) went from unrestricted to prohibited overnight- but there was no registry in place at the time,so there was no idea where they were-
 
Shalimar, everyone is entitled to their opinions about firearms re-classification. I personally think it is ludicrous that a governing or legislative body can allow something to be purchased legitimately and then change their minds and require owners to submit them with or without compensation.

However, I imagine that there are many police officers on this forum. While I can appreciate that this is an emotional issue, please show some sensitivity in your comments as some may have found them offensive.

.. it is your job after all for which I am paying.
 
I remember the days prior to 1978, when there was no such thing as a FAC.
Strangely enough, there was not all that much of a problem.
As far as reclassification from nnon-restricted to rstricted goes, it has happened before. If someone is going to keep a reclassified firearm, he is going to have to be licenced for that class.
 
Shalimar, everyone is entitled to their opinions about firearms re-classification. I personally think it is ludicrous that a governing or legislative body can allow something to be purchased legitimately and then change their minds and require owners to submit them with or without compensation.

However, I imagine that there are many police officers on this forum. While I can appreciate that this is an emotional issue, please show some sensitivity in your comments as some may have found them offensive.

I agree.. completely. And though my original post probably should have had a /sarcasm tag added, the reality is that LEOs are paid via our tax dollars.

I know many good LEOs whom definitely deserve respect and support. I have never doubted that nor claimed otherwise. I would even say that the vast majority are the 'good' ones..

However any tax payer whom is harassed by a LEO in such a case as was described is perfectly within their rights to make such a statement. It is without malice.. it's simply a statement of fact.

So if you found that offensive i apologize.. it's not meant to be offensive in nature.. but more of a simple blunt and truthful statement of fact.

Also it in no way is meant to be LEO bashing. Unless proven otherwise I will continue to give my support to all LEO's But I for one certainly would not stand by and be effectively abused by those that are there to 'serve and protect' not to "obey blindly and confiscate from law abiding citizens".

I'd look upon it much the same as the military.. your duty is not just to follow orders but also to know when those orders should not be followed.


For lack of a better quote I think this one from "A few Good Men" should suffice:

Kaffee: They were following orders, Sam.
Lt. Weinberg: An illegal order.
Kaffee: You think Dawson and Downey knew it was an illegal order?
Lt. Weinberg: It doesn't matter what they knew. Any decent human being would have refused.
Kaffee: They're not permitted to question orders.
 
Fair enough Shalimar, your apology is appreciated. As I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

I agree.. completely. And though my original post probably should have had a /sarcasm tag added, the reality is that LEOs are paid via our tax dollars.

I know many good LEOs whom definitely deserve respect and support. I have never doubted that nor claimed otherwise. I would even say that the vast majority are the 'good' ones..

However any tax payer whom is harassed by a LEO in such a case as was described is perfectly within their rights to make such a statement. It is without malice.. it's simply a statement of fact.

So if you found that offensive i apologize.. it's not meant to be offensive in nature.. but more of a simple blunt and truthful statement of fact.

Also it in no way is meant to be LEO bashing. Unless proven otherwise I will continue to give my support to all LEO's But I for one certainly would not stand by and be effectively abused by those that are there to 'serve and protect' not to "obey blindly and confiscate from law abiding citizens".

I'd look upon it much the same as the military.. your duty is not just to follow orders but also to know when those orders should not be followed.


For lack of a better quote I think this one from "A few Good Men" should suffice:
 
Shalimar, everyone is entitled to their opinions about firearms re-classification. I personally think it is ludicrous that a governing or legislative body can allow something to be purchased legitimately and then change their minds and require owners to submit them with or without compensation.

However, I imagine that there are many police officers on this forum. While I can appreciate that this is an emotional issue, please show some sensitivity in your comments as some may have found them offensive.

you may find it ludicrous, but that's EXACTLY what happened at the last go-round- just ask anybody with a pistol with a short barrel under 4 unches- we would have lost the lot save for the grandfathering clause
 
You might, some people won't.

I didn't know I was in a #### measuring contest.

I've had to surrender a rifle.

In my experience silly comments like "I lost it", "it fell off a boat", or "go f@ck yourself Mr. Policeman," are used by those who have never found themselves in that particular situation. The vast majority of the people who found themselves in my particular situation handed over their rifles. I don't know of one person in our group who "lost" their rifle. :rolleyes:

Yes, some are fighting it in court.

I'll reserve comments about weather I think that case can be won....
 
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That's a pretty negative outlook. Licensing and registration also has to do with competency and ability to use safely. That is why you take a course for PAL or RPAL.
You attract what you believe into your life. So be careful what you order up.

Krunch

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there buddy. Licencing and registration were impossed simply to keep track of where the guns are. There has been no and there will be no "safety" through these programs. The programs have been flawed since their inception in the 20s and 30s in Nazi Germany.
 
I remember the days prior to 1978, when there was no such thing as a FAC.
Strangely enough, there was not all that much of a problem
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As far as reclassification from nnon-restricted to rstricted goes, it has happened before. If someone is going to keep a reclassified firearm, he is going to have to be licenced for that class.

The problem was created by the government and then the actions of a few were used to highlight that "problem". The only concern the government has about civilian firearms ownership is what damage could be done to the governement.
 
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there buddy. Licencing and registration were impossed simply to keep track of where the guns are. There has been no and there will be no "safety" through these programs. The programs have been flawed since their inception in the 20s and 30s in Nazi Germany.

To be fair there is a very very tiny improvem4ent in safety with the current tests for a license... though how small I'd say almost immeasurable.

Registration on the other hand makes about as much sense to me as the BS ATT crap.

To use the age old car/gun debate... I have a drivers license.. but i sure as hell don't need permission from the gov to drive from a to be or Z for that matter.


I am a firm believer in having a license including CCW. But to get it you must prove you are competent. All the rest of c-68 needs to be pitched w/o question
 
I believed the only reclassification of a firearm is should be from restricted to non....not the other way around. I also believed, there should be NO differences between " what they call it?!....restricted types to non-restricted types of fire arms due to the length of the barrel!!!....COME ON! GIVE ME A KIT KAT BRAKE!...because, it DOES NOT MATTERS what barrel length of fire arms we own...AS LONG AS WE ARE ALL LEGAL FIREARMS OWNERS HERE. It is the criminals they should go after. This RE/NON thing is just a nonsense...like.....Bill C-391 nonsense!. lol......This RE/NON restrict nonsense got to good too.
cheers all
 
I believed the only reclassification of a firearm is should be from restricted to non....not the other way around. I also believed, there should be NO differences between " what they call it?!....restricted types to non-restricted types of fire arms due to the length of the barrel!!!....COME ON! GIVE ME A KIT KAT BRAKE!...because, it DOES NOT MATTERS what barrel length of fire arms we own...AS LONG AS WE ARE ALL LEGAL FIREARMS OWNERS HERE. It is the criminals they should go after. This RE/NON thing is just a nonsense...like.....Bill C-391 nonsense!. lol......This RE/NON restrict nonsense got to good too.
cheers all

Indeed... but we are hardly the ones needing to be told such things. Be sure to email that to ALL MP's and newspapers at the least. DM is an excellent handy tool for that :)
 
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there buddy. Licencing and registration were imposed simply to keep track of where the guns are. The programs have been flawed since their inception in the 20s and 30s in Nazi Germany.


Are you talking about this guy?:cool:

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration!
Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
 
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there buddy. Licencing and registration were impossed simply to keep track of where the guns are. There has been no and there will be no "safety" through these programs. The programs have been flawed since their inception in the 20s and 30s in Nazi Germany.

The Kool-Aid is just fine thanks. How is your Pilsner or whatever cheap crappy beer it is that you are consuming?

Are you really comparing Canada's (1979 - 2010) government gun control program to Nazi Germany? Seems a little over the top. And lets see its been thirty years and most people still have most of their firearms and the number of confiscations in relation to the number of firearms is, my guess, less than 1/10th of one percent. Looks like they are really working hard on that confiscation issue. At this rate they will have them all in 3000 years.

By the way it was the Weimar Republic in the 20s and Nazi Germany officially started in 1933. Regardless, the comparison is offensive if not ridiculous.

I disagree on the safety issue. I have been to a lot of ranges over the last 35 years of shooting (which is how old you are) and the difference from then to now is significant. For god sakes man we have range flags now. But that is just my opinion.

Krunch
 
...To use the age old car/gun debate... I have a drivers license.. but i sure as hell don't need permission from the gov to drive from a to be or Z for that matter....

No but they know where every vehicle is in case they want to confiscate them. Should you not be worried? What if the Green party gets a majority and wants to confiscate all SUVs and pick-ups? Many on this site would be f**ked. Lest get a bill started called F-350 to cancel SUV and Pick-up registration...come on...lets go there is not a moment to wait :D

I think we need more than this whole registration issue. We need to provide a comprehensive system that allows firearms owners in Canada to own whatever they want as long as they have robust training and licensing courses and a verified safe storage system (IE gun safe bolted to the concrete floor.)

Krunch
 
You misunderstood me. I did not use ludicrous in the sense that I didn't believe it happened. I used it in the sense that I felt it was ludicrous that it was happening.

you may find it ludicrous, but that's EXACTLY what happened at the last go-round- just ask anybody with a pistol with a short barrel under 4 unches- we would have lost the lot save for the grandfathering clause
 
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