Mock suppressors legal in Canada?Y/N

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Does anyone know the legal rules governing mock suppressors in Canada?
I am refereeing to ones that are merely for esthetic use only and have zero actual effect on noise reduction on the firearm report.

If they are legal/illegal, are there provinces that are exceptions?

If they are legal are there any reliable sources that carry these in Canada or are they importable from the US?

http://www.usmachinegun.com/products.php?cat=33&pg=3

I hope this question has not been addressed here before, if so I apologize.
 
here is a semi decent page about it
ehow.com/list_6802569_canada_s-silencer-laws.html

or you can look at the criminal code
laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/FullText.html

but basically section 92.2 says:
(2) Subject to subsection (4), every person commits an offence who possesses a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition knowing that the person is not the holder of a licence under which the person may possess it.

subsection 4
(4) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to

(a) a person who possesses a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition while the person is under the direct and immediate supervision of a person who may lawfully possess it, for the purpose of using it in a manner in which the supervising person may lawfully use it; or
(b) a person who comes into possession of a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition by the operation of law and who, within a reasonable period after acquiring possession of it,
(i) lawfully disposes of it, or

(ii) obtains a licence under which the person may possess it and, in the case of a firearm, a registration certificate for the firearm.


"prohibited device” is under section 84 and means

(a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,
(b) a handgun barrel that is equal to or less than 105 mm in length, but does not include any such handgun barrel that is prescribed, where the handgun barrel is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,
(d) a cartridge magazine that is prescribed to be a prohibited device, or
(e) a replica firearm;



so you can own it if its on a replica firearm or not intended to muffle or stop the sound of a firearm.


anyways, im no lawyer but thats what Im goin with. I know you can get them for paintball guns and ive seen some forum posts talking about people who have them that seem to imply that you can have a mock can supressor but you want it to be as light as possible. As far as importing goes that starts at section 103 and I got bored before getting that far but Id guess if it didnt count as a prohibited device you can import it.

If you get dinged with a prohibited device its jail for a period of less than 10 years and importing one is jail for a period of less than 5. Dont know that Id really want to gamble on it myself.
 
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Suppressors draw lots of attention, especially the kind you don't want. Sure they may be cool looking, but if you get wrapped up in an inquiry about that thing, you're going to be scrutinized HEAVILY.

BUT! if it's your thing, and you want one, and it's legal and you're ok with the potential inspections and whatnot, then by all means get one, there's a few companies out there who make mock suppressors that are the same manufacturer of other products I've bought.

Good Luck!
 
Like trambit posted, it is only illegal if it actually muffles the sound. Which bizarrely makes it the only piece of safety equipment in Canada that is prohibited.

But, as has already been mentioned, walking around with anything that looks too tactical or Hollywood will get you unwanted attention. The general population has no clue about how firearms actually work or what is and is not legal. The police are hardly any better.

That said, Fabsports sells Spike's Tactical fake cans. They are a sponsor on CGN so look for their banner up top.
 
I would tend to think that the "can" of the suppressor falls under "parts to a prohibited weapon or device". You can always contact the Firearms Control Office in Miramachi for absolution. Perhaps if it were perforated with holes it could be argued that it was a compensator/muzzlebrake not a suppressor part?
 
Mock suppressors are legal, but if you ever had to go to court you better hope it doesn't reduce the sound by even 5% or you are in trouble.

If it's not real, why do you want it? An airsoft would work just as well for striking manly poses in the mirror, and you can legally install a suppressor on a toy gun. Toy suppressor, toy gun - why not?
 
Thanks for the info guys



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Like trambit posted, it is only illegal if it actually muffles the sound. Which bizarrely makes it the only piece of safety equipment in Canada that is prohibited.

But, as has already been mentioned, walking around with anything that looks too tactical or Hollywood will get you unwanted attention. The general population has no clue about how firearms actually work or what is and is not legal. The police are hardly any better.

That said, Fabsports sells Spike's Tactical fake cans. They are a sponsor on CGN so look for their banner up top.
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I am refereeing to ones that are merely for esthetic use only and have zero actual effect on noise reduction on the firearm report.
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Like trambit posted, it is only illegal if it actually muffles the sound.
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Mock suppressors are legal, but if you ever had to go to court you better hope it doesn't reduce the sound by even 5% or you are in trouble.
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The problem is how do you know if a fake suppressor does or does not reduce the sound of the shot? Measuring the sound of a gunshot is not something you can do with an $80 sound meter. The noise event associated with a gunshot is VERY loud (ca 165 dB) and VERY short (ca 40-60 microseconds). It requires a very special and very expensive sound meter to capture the entirety of the event. It also requires a specific testing protocol to ensure that only the shot and no reflections are captured.

There is no dB limit specified in our law. Thus a device that reduces sound by only 1dB could be classed as a sound suppressor. It all depends on the judge and what you can or cannot prove.

Just cause a gunshot sounds loud with a fake suppressor attached, doesn't mean the device isn't reducing the noise of the shot. Our ears are sensitive to duration and frequency and we can be fooled very easily into thinking one sound is louder than another when it is not.
 
You know, putting a fake suppressor on your gun might have something in common with wearing a padded codpiece into a ### bar. Neither is illegal, neither enhances performance and both might attract attention. ;)

If appearance is more important than substance, if it looks uberkewl in the mirror, go for it. But really, isn't it is just plain silly?
 
Fake suppressor, just as legal as this Bacon AK:

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...Assuming the Bacon does not constitute variant parts of an AK action. :p

Cheers,
Sand
 
Would be nice if you could get the replica suppressors and black rifles into the main stream population. Maybe then people would not be such fudds. Conditioning the population to seeing something every day might change there views on its use. I was getting strange looks with a short 10/22 krinker on the weekend but when they tried it they loved it. Just cause it looks scary is no reason to ban it! I would love to have a rifle that won't damage my hearing:D
 
Would be nice if you could get the replica suppressors and black rifles into the main stream population. Maybe then people would not be such fudds.
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It would be even nicer to get real silencers into the mainstream population. To that end Remington actually purchased a silencer company in the USA. This is the first step to making silencers a mainstream item in the hunting and shooting community.
 
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It would be even nicer to get real silencers into the mainstream population. To that end Remington actually purchased a silencer company in the USA. This is the first step to making silencers a mainstream item in the hunting and shooting community.
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That is the end dream! One step at a time... Maybe then we can take a suppressed AR-15 shooting in the fields. Rem bought AAC?
 
They're legal to own....They're tacticool and don't bring down the dB...If it was a ported barrel within the "fake can" Not good to own.......It will muffle the weapons signature.
If it's a straight pipe, good to go.....some people will argue that if you extend the barrel, it dampens the weapons signature.....

YES it will attract attenton.....
If seen by a cop, they may with hold your weapon system and "fake can" for testing until "they" are convinced that it doesn't lower the dB.......

We should be able to use these "suppressors"...... At our range we get complaints about the noise frequently. That's why actual suppressors should be legal......Keep the anti's quiet....like a suppressor........
 
i cant find which one, but if i remember correctly, theres a canadian gun retailer who sells them on his website...

I also don't see the use...
i would certainly think "look at this guy with his fake suppressor, thats ####ing lame"
im always against faking the funk...
 
Speaking to a friend of mine at the CFO regarding the topic, the law states that " device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm" is a prohibited weapon. Two ways of looking at it he said, "TECHNICALLY" speaking, if the mock suppressor decreases the audible noise of a firearm by any amount, that is in direct violation of the law, however; because the mock suppressor has no baffles, and fits no common modern design for generic suppressors it is usually categorized in the same sense as a flash hider, compensator etc... So technically speaking it is not illegal, but like most firearm legality questions, it all depends on how they feel that given day with regards to what they want to do to you. I personally would hate to find out that I'm being charged with possession of a prohib in canada, wouldn't be nice.
 
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