Trigger Locks on Restricted in Gun Vault ?

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I have an USCAN Gun Vault that I currently use to store restricted firearms in. It weights 700lbs and is bolted down with 6" bolts into concrete. I store pistols in it but do not keep trigger locks on them when they are in the vault.

So my question is: Do I need to have trigger locks on them when they are in the vault ?

Up until now I was 100% sure you do not have to have trigger locks on IF they are in an actual gun vault. The only reason I question it now is because my wife just got back from taking her PAL course this afternoon and said the course instructor said that now matter where you store restricted firearms at home..they must always have trigger locks on.

So I pulled up the regulations and reading them now.. Here they are:

<<Restricted and prohibited firearms

Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.>>

I am interpreting that "or Lock the firearms in a vault..." means you don't have to have trigger locks on if they are in a vault"

Any thoughts / opinions ?
 
you are right and her instructor is wrong.

It is unfortunate that there are many instructors out there that try make up there own rules and then proceed to teach them, rather than sticking to what is says in the course manual.
 
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I have a costco Honeywell "GUN" safe. I don't trigger lock my restricteds and according to the rules, I'm legit.

That said, my instructor said lots of interesting things. He's a good instructor but there wee some things he said were not correct and I didn't know any better at the time. He said it's okay to buy ammo from the US and bring it back. He said in Buffalo or Vermont, there was a container of 9mm and you just fill it up in a bag and they charged by the lbs. lol
Well, Canada doesn't care but the US does without export permit. :(

I took the course last year.
 
Socrates said:
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet
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I have always understood it to mean 2 things are required. It is saying a trigger lock, plus being in a secure container. A non restricted does not need the trigger lock inside the said container.
Even when I worked armoured, we had our pistols locked and in a concrete vault that had a 4" thick steel door and required a FOB or keypad access.
 
Am taking my pal course in two weeks so I am no expert. I read this
"Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely", and I read it as, attatch something to make the gun so it can not be fired with this item in place PLUS lock it somewhere to restrict access to it. I figure when in doubt error on the safe side (triggers locks are $10 or less).

It would be interesting to see what they consider "hard to break into"...

Reading that again it really isn't clear what they mean, that OR could mean you don't need the trigger lock...hmmm typical governmentese, if you can't blind them with brilliance baffle them with double speak.

So it could be taken as, trigger lock plus put it into a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into OR if you use a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store fire arms safely then you don't need to put a secure locking device on the trigger. With todays troubles if they ever came looking at your stuff having the trigger lock wouldn't hurt.

Douglas
 
It does kinda mess with your head but what i was taught is that if a uber strong safe in locked room your prolly ok!
 
I dunno guys, this has been talked about before on here and this one is 100% clear.

Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into;

OR

Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely

Instructor was wrong.
 
After talking to the Canadian Firearms center on a few occasions, ive descovered a few things that I thought were illegal were in fact legal. For instance, i can carry my handgun in a case with live ammo, as long as the gun is trigger locked so it cant be fired. So for instance a box of 9mm in the case with my glock. There are alot of myths out there, and I have the say the laws are not as clear as they should be. I wish we had gun laws like Tennesee.
 
We sell "pistol cases" which contain a lock and combination. Because the item is marked "pistol case," has a combination lock, and it's printed in the manual "pistol case", you can store your handgun in it, with a loaded mag, (not in the handgun) without a trigger lock. (like a safe) And, it doubles as an actual transportation container to take to the range.
 
ki11ercane said:
We sell "pistol cases" which contain a lock and combination. Because the item is marked "pistol case," has a combination lock, and it's printed in the manual "pistol case", you can store your handgun in it, with a loaded mag, (not in the handgun) without a trigger lock. (like a safe) And, it doubles as an actual transportation container to take to the range.
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Can I strap it to my thigh??:D
 
ki11ercane said:
We sell "pistol cases" which contain a lock and combination. Because the item is marked "pistol case," has a combination lock, and it's printed in the manual "pistol case", you can store your handgun in it, with a loaded mag, (not in the handgun) without a trigger lock. (like a safe) And, it doubles as an actual transportation container to take to the range.
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For years i avoided getting a handgun due to all the bs myths i heard. I use to here that if i bought one i had to pick it up at the police station and return in when done. As well i heard that i could only go to the range and back home, no stopping. Now i got a ATT for any range in Alberta. I have four handguns now, and a great range to use them at.
 
Socrates said:
Up until now I was 100% sure you do not have to have trigger locks on IF they are in an actual gun vault. The only reason I question it now is because my wife just got back from taking her PAL course this afternoon and said the course instructor said that now matter where you store restricted firearms at home..they must always have trigger locks on.

So I pulled up the regulations and reading them now.. Here they are:

<<Restricted and prohibited firearms

Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.>>



I am interpreting that "or Lock the firearms in a vault..." means you don't have to have trigger locks on if they are in a vault"

Any thoughts / opinions ?
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I know I am chiming in late but if your wife only has a PAL then she can not have acces to the vault for hers or your non restricted guns, the restricted has to be in a seperate storage vault.
Because my son has his Youth PAL I had to get a second safe for the handgunsbecause he can not have access to them
 
The instructor is wrong. The CRFSC manual illustrates RFA in a vault with no disabling device. If stored in just a container, they must have the disabling device. Yes, a vault is still a container, but it's not readily transportable.
 
I take the cautious route. My handgun is trigger or cable locked even when stored in my locked Stack-On safe. Having read through the requirements for safe storage of a restricted firearm, that is what I understood the requirements to be and I recommend doing what I do just to be on the safe side of any disagreement over the interpretation of the regulations.
 
Mosin42 said:
I take the cautious route. My handgun is trigger or cable locked even when stored in my locked Stack-On safe. Having read through the requirements for safe storage of a restricted firearm, that is what I understood the requirements to be and I recommend doing what I do just to be on the safe side of any disagreement over the interpretation of the regulations.
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I've done like you + bolted the Stack-on to the wall..................
 
Mosin42 said:
I take the cautious route. My handgun is trigger or cable locked even when stored in my locked Stack-On safe. Having read through the requirements for safe storage of a restricted firearm, that is what I understood the requirements to be and I recommend doing what I do just to be on the safe side of any disagreement over the interpretation of the regulations.
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Exceeding the legal requirement is certainly your perrogative but your understanding of these requirements is not correct.

If your Stack-on is designated a "safe" and not a "cabinet" then no triggers locks are required

Cheers!
 
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