Trigger Locks on Restricted in Gun Vault ?

The_Sicilian said:
Exceeding the legal requirement is certainly your perrogative but your understanding of these requirements is not correct.

If your Stack-on is designated a "safe" and not a "cabinet" then no triggers locks are required

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The "cheap" Stack-On Cabinet products are named (as per their website):
Security Cabinets (Gun Cabinets)

They do also make "safes".

I would believe Trigger Locks are required in the cabinets though.

I am going to pick one up for now while I wait for a good deal on an actual safe, so will be using trigger locks.

Thanks.
 
The storage requirement rules couldn't be simpler, the way they are written is simply fool proof if you know how to read that is. I can't believe how many people get confused and ask the same question over and over again.
 
dn604 said:
The "cheap" Stack-On Cabinet products are named (as per their website):
Security Cabinets (Gun Cabinets)

They do also make "safes".

I would believe Trigger Locks are required in the cabinets though.
I am going to pick one up for now while I wait for a good deal on an actual safe, so will be using trigger locks.

Thanks.
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Correct! I have one myself bolted to the wall. If any restricteds go in there they are trigger locked for sure.
 
Nope, the Stack-On Cabinets meet the requirement of the law and there is no requirement that the firearms in it need to be trigger locked. If the thugs have enough time to break into your house and cut or pry open the cabinet they won't have any trouble finding the time or tools to beat the crappy $5 trigger lock with a screwdriver or drill.
 
There are no shortage of people on this forum that love to offer free legal advice on the minimum requirements for "legal" storage but their advice is no more effective than those "cheap" cabinets/safes and those $5 trigger locks they talk about.

Do yourself and your family a favor, get the best safe AND trigger locks that you can afford along with a decent ammo lock box. That way you are close to 100% certain that when you arrive home one day that you wont be greeted by a burglar walking around your house with one of your pistols loaded and pointed at you.
 
Ballox said:
There are no shortage of people on this forum that love to offer free legal advice on the minimum requirements for "legal" storage but their advice is no more effective than those "cheap" cabinets/safes and those $5 trigger locks they talk about.

Do yourself and your family a favor, get the best safe AND trigger locks that you can afford along with a decent ammo lock box. That way you are close to 100% certain that when you arrive home one day that you wont be greeted by a burglar walking around your house with one of your pistols loaded and pointed at you.
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the storage regulations are not meant to prevent your guns from being stolen.

edit: there's also no shortage of people on this forum that would like you to spend a ton of money just because they did.
 
legi0n said:
the storage regulations are not meant to prevent your guns from being stolen.
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You are correct, most of us know that the hidden agenda behind restricted storage regulations is to prevent us from getting quick access to our own handguns in a crisis situation or home invasion to "defend" ourselves.

My post was just stating that i like to take the extra step to lessen the chance of someone other than myself getting full access to my toys.
 
BCOrchidGuy said:
... I read this...
Douglas
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Unless you're reading the criminal code don't worry about the wording. The criminal code is gospel, any training materials that don't quote exactly from the criminal code may leave additional room for misinterpretation.

I got into a discussion at a party with the lawyer who said he wrote that section. He may have only been trying to shut me up when he acknowledged that the phrase after the word "room" could be misread to apply to the safe or vault as well.
 
id follow best practices instead of "rules"
regardless for the time it takes for a thief to get tru locks
i follow at least 1 lock rule if your not using it lock it ... its like 10$ for a lock

think about it would you like to have your own firearm used against you ?
act accordingly
 
the law is clear, if stored in a vault (wich is defined by some existing standards) restricted don't need to be trigger locked.

there's 4 existing grades or class ( class 1-2-3-4) in the level of inviolability displayed by a ''vault'' .

as long as a vault is labeled ''vault ''' by the standards used by the vault builder , no need for trigger lock.

why using more safety devices than recommended or stipulated by the law??

trigger locks can barely be called ''safety device''' given the 10 seconds it takes me to break it with a screwdriver. storing the ammo in another locked recipient is a far better ''safety mesure''' to me than any trigger locks...
 
There is no such thing as a perfect safe. Further, criminals can buy guns easier than you and I. The chances of you coming home to be confronted with your own gun is probably less than you coming home to be confronted with the rat's unregistered/stolen/smuggled gun and being told to open your safe and turn everything over to the rat. Saves them work.
 
I tell my students to keep some of the advertizing that calls the storage device a "safe" or "VAULT", and attach it to the container itself.
 
Alec F said:
I tell my students to keep some of the advertizing that calls the storage device a "safe" or "VAULT", and attach it to the container itself.
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yep,and that's what i do. altough the vault dedicated to my restricted pistols is made by the vaultmaker who also built and maintains some of the vaults of provincial and local police armories , i keep the invoice of my vault taped on the top of the vault just in case....
 
i probably should of kept my sheet metal "safe" 's box...

i think/hope my brother kept his :) lol


then again i bought it BEFORE i learned handguns were legal to own in canada....

for 19 years i thought no handguns were legal.... lol
 
Most instructors are right about the laws, but occasionally you will hear the odd thing from one that in not correct. Sometimes they take it apon themselves to express there point of views and suggestions of what to do in a particular situation. My instructor that I had for my handgun safety course told me that a El'Cheapo $89 Stack on from Crappy Tire is classified as a safe, and I don't need to use a trigger lock. I think thats his point of view, and he is sort of boycotting the law be not putting a trigger lock on his handguns, that are in his cheap stack on gun cabinet.

I know that the meaning of the law is telling you to put a trigger lock on a Restricted that is in a Stack On "Cabinet", so I DO put trigger locks on my Restricted firearms that are in my Stack on "Cabinet".

Basically, if you have a SAFE, that is labelled a Safe, then you don't need no trigger locks.

I personally believe that a Stack On Cabinet that is bolted to a wall, like mine, should'nt require a trigger lock, but it does, and I DO put a trigger lock on my Restricted firearms. However, in my case I happen to keep my Stack On Cabinet in a locked room also, so I don't believe that I need to put trigger locks on my Restricted firearms because there is 2 locks that must be opened to access the firearms.

I don't see how a small 60 lbs pistol safe is legal to keep your pistol in without a trigger lock, but a Stack On Cabinet that is bolted to the wall is not legal, but there is quite a few firearm laws that need to be changed, and we are probably better off by not bringing stuff up to the powers that be, because things will more than likely change for the worst, and they would just say that all Restricted firearms require a trigger lock, no matter were they are.
 
I now need to use trigger locks on the restricted firearms because my kid will have access to the safe(s) with her shiny new POL in a few weeks.

Of course, I may just keep her stuff in her own cabinet.
 
ki11ercane said:
We sell "pistol cases" which contain a lock and combination. Because the item is marked "pistol case," has a combination lock, and it's printed in the manual "pistol case", you can store your handgun in it, with a loaded mag, (not in the handgun) without a trigger lock. (like a safe) And, it doubles as an actual transportation container to take to the range.
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are you stupid? how the hell does a pistol case = safe/vault?

you need a trigger lock on it if its not in a freaking safe/vault or room thats been designed for safe storage....


billygoat said:
I now need to use trigger locks on the restricted firearms because my kid will have access to the safe(s) with her shiny new POL in a few weeks.

Of course, I may just keep her stuff in her own cabinet.
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good job getting your kids into shoootin'!
 
Ogiku said:
I've gun vault and still put trigger locks on. It takes 2 sec to take them off ,so why not.
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Because! That's why not. Don't you think there are enough firearms laws without everyone going above and beyond. Most of us here are looking for more freedom not less. I go by the minimum the law will allow.
 
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