Are you disillusionised when shopping for a black rifle?
- Thread starter daedra83
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easy there for your information i bought a few things from dlask dar 22 receiver one of there fine 10/22 barrels a bunch of there 1911 mags(which by the way they imported from italy) also planing on one of there 1911 triggers but its going into my norq commander. here is something for you to think about look at the springfield xd pistold where do you think it made not in the states its marked rite on the slide made in croatia hmm i wonder why i bet it cause the croations will work for alot less than the americans will (do you think that americns would not love to still be able to buy norinco .45 s hell the top gunsmiths in the states praised them for there quality steel places like wilson combat and kings gunworks used to build many of there prized pistols on norinco guns go look at wilson combat sight even today and you will see they list most of there 1911 parts as fitting the norinco 1911 do you think sti pistols are mae in texas sorry but no there not not even made in the states.tell me this how does buying say a swiss arms rifle save the world from the dreaded norinco i bought you really need to explain this to me i think you just got bitten by the look at me i got a 3000 dollar us made or canadian made ar i just have to be better than the wellfare guy with the norinco m4 bug and no iam not on wellfare i dont do drugs and dont drink and i still chose to buy a quality firearm from china amongest other firearms from all over the world that become available in canada so gotta tell ya your fighting an unwinable battle with me on this one
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winnipegger
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This right here! Also if we could get some of those prohib oic's reversed at the same time. it would be great to get my dirty mits on a fal or HK rifle.
I think the rifles are here........ sure they're a bit spendy but im not a rich or old dude with a career. One month of military course paid for my swiss arms no probalo.... i did eat ramen noodles for a while after but the hell it was worth it now! and i don't smoke or drink excessively so i guess it comes down to priorities? If you want cold hammer forged you gotta save a bit. Its illogical to think a canadian made black rifle would be less than an xcr or SAN rifle and be able to compete with them (well maybe it could with the xcr but i'm pretty sure the SAN would pants it)
Starscream
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Quite frankly I don't care much who I buy the rifle from. I like my norcs and the more rifles we have out there the better.
Why? Because my dear friends, if you hadn't noticed a rifle isn't a consumable. Our rifles will most likely out live us if we can keep the grabbers at bay.
But more rifles means more demand for consumables; bullets, primers, and powder. What I want to see is more Canadian ammunition manufacturing capability.You know why? Because I've already spent more then what my rifle is worth on buying bullets, powder, reloading equipment, and other support to feed my habit. I'll probably spend more then 3/4 of my shooting budget in buying ammo; The gun is a one time cost.
More shooters means more opportunities for to come out with innovative products to enhance the shooting experience.
More shooters means that ranges will become more crowded, meaning viability of opening more gun ranges around the cities as the demand for ranges increases. More ranges, more exposure we have to the public eye, the more people get comfortable with shooting.
More shooters means more demand for skilled smiths to tune and and build rifles. The Norc M14S really shines when put in the hands of a competent smith.
So let the norcs come; you can only sell so many before the market saturates and you can't sell anymore. But the more guns we have, the more opportunities for small businesses to start up and start making truly innovative products to support and feed the public demand.
Why? Because my dear friends, if you hadn't noticed a rifle isn't a consumable. Our rifles will most likely out live us if we can keep the grabbers at bay.
But more rifles means more demand for consumables; bullets, primers, and powder. What I want to see is more Canadian ammunition manufacturing capability.You know why? Because I've already spent more then what my rifle is worth on buying bullets, powder, reloading equipment, and other support to feed my habit. I'll probably spend more then 3/4 of my shooting budget in buying ammo; The gun is a one time cost.
More shooters means more opportunities for to come out with innovative products to enhance the shooting experience.
More shooters means that ranges will become more crowded, meaning viability of opening more gun ranges around the cities as the demand for ranges increases. More ranges, more exposure we have to the public eye, the more people get comfortable with shooting.
More shooters means more demand for skilled smiths to tune and and build rifles. The Norc M14S really shines when put in the hands of a competent smith.
So let the norcs come; you can only sell so many before the market saturates and you can't sell anymore. But the more guns we have, the more opportunities for small businesses to start up and start making truly innovative products to support and feed the public demand.
ATRS Stripped Lower $550
Norinco CQa (Complete Rifle) $699
An ATRS Rifle would be Triple the price of the Norinco. I don't understand your math.
The only negative I know of coming from CQa owners is the Finish, not Build / Parts Quality.
My thought on this:
If you are a company that already produces guns.( I am talking in general here)
You already have the machines
You already have the labour
You can't say, "oh, I have to sell 4000 Rifles..Labours not free...pay for the heat...blah blah"
You already run your business selling what you make now. Do a run of AR's twice a year
No such thing as having to start from scratch. Some guys make it seem like they have to get a shovel and break ground for a factory before Canadian made AR's will happen.
Smile
And you compared a well USED Rifle to a BRAND NEW Norinco.
Rivy i see your point! but a used bushmaster with 3 to 4 thousand rds through it will last longer than a norinco ever will!
I know a guy who bought one, great rifle for the money, but he is already replaced so many things on it that were already wearing out.
For me it really comes down to not wanting our small arms being made in China, who are only interested in ruling us one day. Sorry not for me!
to be bought in North America & Europe only!
Get a 9mm AR. Simple. You can use LAR-15 mags in 9mm (on sale now)
or build it on a Lone Wolf Lower that takes Glock mags.
Again, on sale at Questar
As we know the Glock mags come in 10/33's
for that tacticool look
As we know the Glock mags come in 10/33's
I don't care if I could get 2.5 10/17's
for the price of a single 10/33.......I want one ! 
Gunnerlove
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My rifles, like all my tools are consumable. Barrels are only good for so many rounds same with bolts and carriers. Reciever pin holes open up and trigger sears wear. Springs weaken while furniture and rails get smashed on rocks.
You can keep them running forever but you will run out of original parts.
Starscream
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- Southern Alberta
And how many tens of thousands of rounds will you fire before that becomes an issue? How many of us have fired enough rounds to completely shoot out a barrel? And precision shooters don't count, they replace barrels at the first sign of wear rather then shooting the barrel to the end of it's life.
And the AR15 is 100% modular; you can swap parts out like a woman swaps shoes; as long as they're meet the specification, they'll work.
It's my grandfather's axe
: my dad replaced the handle 
, and I've replaced the blade.....Rivy i see your point! but a used bushmaster with 3 to 4 thousand rds through it will last longer than a norinco ever will!
I know a guy who bought one, great rifle for the money, but he is already replaced so many things on it that were already wearing out.
For me it really comes down to not wanting our small arms being made in China, who are only interested in ruling us one day. Sorry not for me!
I'm a Chinese descent, and I don't understand this prevailing attitude that China wants to "rule" and "colonize" the west.
If you look the at the history, did the Chinese ever try to colonize another country even when they were one of the most powerful nations in the world and was capable to do so?
On the other hand, the west virtually colonized every part of the world since they became capable of doing so after Middle Age.
-Africa
-Middle-East
-India
-North America
-South America
-Part of Asia including cities of China
You can say that China wants colonize the world because of its current military spending. However, I see that having a strong military is the only way to protect your country and people from being colonized and humiliated. The history was too painful to be repeated.
Israel also learned this lesson; that's why they have a powerful military.
Chinese are being brought up by Confucianism. Confucianism makes Chinese, for a lack of better word, non-aggressive. I'd say, China as a whole, is not an aggressive nation.
I just want to see some justifications of your claim.
Gunnerlove
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Tibet.
And a quote from a Japan Probe article.
And a quote from a Japan Probe article.
winnipegger
CGN frequent flyer
And you compared a well USED Rifle to a BRAND NEW Norinco.
So what? Colt has a certain spec its products conform too, like mag-particle tested barrels that make sure the hard-chroming is immaculate. not to mention better materials throughout and hey the bolt catch isnt a recurring problem (as it is on the norinco) I doubt it's just me either....
I'd rather drive a used but not abused ford then a brand new daewoo or something of the like.... (that said i'd rather drive a bmw or other european car instead of a ford, and that's why i shoot a SAN rifle
)
I can think of a few Korean War veterans who would disagree.
this is gonna be outta the blue but as Canadaians we like to shoot just the way it is. Also Canadians despite the whole world view of us being tree hugging living in igloo type people(although for some in the hardest hit winter areas may it may be an idea creeping in). My point is that some of the greatest fighter pilots of ww2 and ww1 were Canadian so were our cobat soldiers in ww1 and im not sure but ive heard an old saying "Give a Canadian a bottle of whiskey and he'll be in Berlin in an hour". We also had a great military leader in Rick Hillier who i had the pleasure of meeting once through my job. My point is that for some reason and some dont want to believe it but we have an inherient ability to fight wars(who can remeber the war of 1812 where we beat the yankees and im not sure but we may have even burnt the white house to. Something no other nation has ever done).I beleive that we should use it to our advanatge take the lessons learned and produce a battle/assult rifle capable of being used in any theater and one that could entice our forgien allies into purchasing this rifle in bulk numbers for there own militaries.If we did that not only would it inspire our Canadian brothers and sisters itll show that you can never count out a country filled with vast spaces and full of hunters. We dont need a huge army like the yanks or the peoples republic our nation is the army. This is something that i have learned from ironically enough the Taliban they are not by any defintion a convetional army they are imbeded in the general population. Thats besides the point though the main point is that it is possible but it takes risk something that unfortunately the people/investors/people with manufacturing businesses realize but being the true Canadians they are understand and choose to play it safe. If i was the owner of a company i would definately take a stab at it. But in order to maximize the chances would have to be offered internationally. This is just my long opinion though i could go on forever but i figure you wanna go shoot something by this point. Sorry about my weird speeling mistakes
