Glock 17 - groups
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Bob, when ever I see tdc's posts, I'm always taking notes. 
Flan, you're right, very few people shoot poorly in the internet. lol
I was a DM when I stopped shooting PPC regularly, and one good shoot from moving the GM. While the time constraints are far from extreme, it is good for working on your accuracy at different distances.
I haven't shot it in years though, except for the WPFG in Vancouver. Been doing a lot of drills lately, and getting into IDPA. Hopefully start IPSC this year as well.
Flan, you're right, very few people shoot poorly in the internet. lol
I was a DM when I stopped shooting PPC regularly, and one good shoot from moving the GM. While the time constraints are far from extreme, it is good for working on your accuracy at different distances.
I haven't shot it in years though, except for the WPFG in Vancouver. Been doing a lot of drills lately, and getting into IDPA. Hopefully start IPSC this year as well.
really, what is the advantage of firing from a benchrest except to get a mark on what the inherent accuracy of the pistol is.... dry firing would be a better exercise once you get the gun sighted in, that way your practicing both sight alignment, getting the sights into your line of view and trigger pull in the position your most likely to be firing the gun.
sure you can practice whatever you like but frankly with a glock pistol and the shooting sports in canada there is not much call for "Glock class benchrest" shooting... what benefit does it give the shooter that dry firing would not ?
Plus the fact dry firing can be done thousands of times per week in the comfort of his home.
sure you can practice whatever you like but frankly with a glock pistol and the shooting sports in canada there is not much call for "Glock class benchrest" shooting... what benefit does it give the shooter that dry firing would not ?
Plus the fact dry firing can be done thousands of times per week in the comfort of his home.
again, 2" at 25yds from an unsupported position is not likely for a new shooter or even a more experienced one... realistically he should be able to keep all his shots on an 8" pie plate (the size of the "A" zone in IPSC or -0 in IDPA) @ 25yds.
as a shooter you should be striving to maintain your base level accuracy while pushing your speed to the fail point.... and then backing off and practicing more once you found where your limit at that time/place is.
There's no point putting a benchmark like 2" at 25yds. The gun and load might not be capable of it, or the sights/trigger might make it very difficult, you should be striving to see an improvement in your groups.
Pepsi, you are looking at it like it's an either/or situation. There's no question that you need to dryfire, fire offhand groups, do some dot drills and others, it's all part of learning.
Firing off the bench allows your to just pay attention to two things, sight picture and trigger control...you can do some work on grip too but we'll leave that out of this discussion for now...even off a rest flinch and bad trigger control can effect the size and location of the group you shoot, but you have removed a lot of other factors like bad stance and fatigue. It's much easier to learn if you break things down into smaller units. I don't bench my guns every practice session but I do work on it several times through the year. It supplements the rest of my drills and training.
Give it a try, shoot a couple of offhand groups at the start of a practice, spend the rest of the practice shooting off a rest and then shoot a couple of groups at the end of the session and see what you notice. Don't just bang the rounds off from the rest either, pay attention to the trigger and it's relationship to the sights, work on shooting as good a group as you can then see what happens.
Pepsi, you are looking at it like it's an either/or situation. There's no question that you need to dryfire, fire offhand groups, do some dot drills and others, it's all part of learning.
Firing off the bench allows your to just pay attention to two things, sight picture and trigger control...you can do some work on grip too but we'll leave that out of this discussion for now...even off a rest flinch and bad trigger control can effect the size and location of the group you shoot, but you have removed a lot of other factors like bad stance and fatigue. It's much easier to learn if you break things down into smaller units. I don't bench my guns every practice session but I do work on it several times through the year. It supplements the rest of my drills and training.
Give it a try, shoot a couple of offhand groups at the start of a practice, spend the rest of the practice shooting off a rest and then shoot a couple of groups at the end of the session and see what you notice. Don't just bang the rounds off from the rest either, pay attention to the trigger and it's relationship to the sights, work on shooting as good a group as you can then see what happens.
I've been shooting since I was 7, I'm now turning 44 and I learn something every time I go shooting. One of the reasons I still shoot is that there's no such thing as "finished" in shooting, there's always something new to pick up. Lately I've been shooting 3x5 recipe cards at 15 yards, next time I go I'll try 20 yards, etc. I like the idea of benching a pistol, and I'll give it a go - the more you learn about trigger pull the better. To the OP the difficulty of shooting a handgun stems at least in part from the trigger pull being heavier than the gun (not something you run into with any rifle, not the least benchrest guns), you may find that developing your skills with that Glock will make you a better bench shooter - that's the other great thing about shooting, it doesn't matter which discipline you shoot, you'll learn something that will help you later on, in a 'totally unrelated' discipline. I've always considered PPC to be, to borrow a term from the martial arts, Kata. Disciplined forms shot from varying positions with the goal of repeating each shot as perfectly as possible. IPSC and IDPA are closer to sparring (as close as we can get in most neighbourhoods) relying more on reactions, judgement and timing as you shoot the course. It's sad to see PPC's population dropping, I think any shooter can learn as much from PPC as they can from IDPA. After all, those Karate guys practise both side by side, and wouldn't leave Kata practise to spar exclusively.
PH Racing you could add that it should give the OP some idea of what the gun is actually capable of. Most combat pistols I have shot are not target pistols nor are they meant to be. I would be surprised if a stock Glock or M&P are capable of consistanly shooting 2" groups from a Ranson rest let alone in the hands of an experienced shooter from a rest from 25 yards. I suppose there may be guys out there capable of doing so with the right oads and a tuned gun but from a stock gun in the hands of mortals... not likely.
Just my experience.
Take Care
Bob
Just my experience.
Take Care
Bob
That's somewhat intentional, it will give some idea what the gun AND SHOOTER are capable of. That's why I said it's kind of pointless to say you should shoot 2" at 25yds, or whatever. You need to improve your shooting to get closer to what the gun can shoot. If you can't shoot accurately to begin with, you won't see the level of accuracy the gun can do. Even off a rest there is some skill required, and aside from shooters that shoot bullseye, PPC or Action pistol and some of the upper level IDPA and IPSC shooters, most have not really put the time in to learn how to fire an accurate shot with a pistol. There is a tendency to think that in IPSC, IDPA, or because it's a "combat" pistol, that accuracy is not expected and therefore not required. Nothing could be further from the truth. You need to be able to hit your target under any circumstances and you need to be able to do that quickly. If you can't hit it reliably in the first place, you can't be expected to do it all when you go fast. That is why this is a great thread.
Fwiw after reading through this thread yesterday I did some rested dryfire. Just set up my sandbag on my range bag, got the gun solid in the bag with a good grip and dryfired a few times really focusing on the sight movement relative to trigger press.
As suspected, you can't validate your claim. Unlike a rifle, shooting a handgun from the bench is impractical which makes doing so of little value when learning the fundamentals. Then again, shooting some rifles from the bench is just as useless for the most part.
TDC
