Fair enough, but do you think rifle only hunters would support a redefinition of the harvest to support the increase in hunters? Why go with a fix harvest for the two season then?
Should Crossbows be Allowed in Archery Only Season?
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Fair enough, but do you think rifle only hunters would support a redefinition of the harvest to support the increase in hunters? Why go with a fix harvest for the two season then?
It should be done fairly, regardless of what any special interest group or individual thinks.
I agree entirely. If bowhunters make up 20% of the hunting population, they should get 20% of the harvest quota. Unfortunately, I don't think you will get too many rifle only hunters to agree....fair or not!
Who says they have to agree? There's going to be one group or the other that doesn't agree with their ultimate decision regarding crossbows.
I think the main problem here is articulating how it will be done. So far, and historically, fairness was not part of the overall planning process...
Seems like you are putting the cart before the horse.....I doubt there's been a lot of planning put in when they don't know what the outcome is going to be. If the yes vote wins, I suspect that's when the planning process will begin. I would hope all user groups would have input at that time. If the no vote wins then it's status quo and not a lot of planning was wasted for nothing. Makes sense to me. None of it changes until the fundamental question of whether crossbows belong or not is answered.
I have to disagree, I think the SRD has a base plan, yes short on details and commitment but they have some outline plan on how they see this happening. If they did not, why would they ask the question the way they have. I agree they likely have not gotten deep in the weeds but they certain have a big picture plan.
That is the question.
The issue: Who is the most qualified to decide?
Apparently SRD feels the people are.......
That is the question.
The issue: Who is the most qualified to decide?
I don't so much think that is the question at hand. Right now it is not archery equipment. I do not think the AFGA members who put this forward were purists looking to include crossbows in the archery season. I believe they were seeking more hunting opportunity for hunting with crossbows....the same but different..
I think they supplied the info they had...that inclusion of the crossbow would likely place some WMUs on draw that are currently open to a general archery tag. I don't think anyone argues that. Now I haven't personally received my survey yet so I'm going on what's been posted but I don't see any indication of of how that draw will be allocated percentage wise or if it may even be a weapon specific draw. Unless you've seen info that I haven't, what you are saying sounds like nothing more than a bunch of speculation based on nothing.
Did you receive more information than this?
ASRD Fish and Wildlife is consulting Alberta hunters regarding allowing the use of cross-bows during archery-only seasons.
Cross-bows can be used to hunt big game during primitive weapon and rifle hunting seasons but not during archery-only seasons. If cross-bows were permitted during archery-only seasons, it is predicted that this would add hunters to those seasons and, in turn, result in an increased harvest. Depending on the increase in harvest, additional species (i.e. moose and mule deer) and areas may be placed on draw for archery hunting where a special licence had not previously been required.
So just to be clear then, even if the crossbow belongs in archery season, it's okay to exclude its users because it will impede your hunting opportunities?
This is a fact in Alberta right now.
But a few years ago the legal hunting age was dropped from 14 years of age to 12 years of age and we also got Sunday hunting so things are subject to change.
There is current Federal legislation that also seems to support the distinction between a crossbow and a compound, recurve or longbow, treating the former similar to a firearm in the case of weapon prohibitions (Criminal Code S.109).
Pope & Young also make a distinction.
Who is right and who gets to decide? I don't really know. Whoever it is, I hope they ask for and consider all the facts and consequences of their decision. The "survey" has missed all of this.
You called the potential loss of opportunity a "red herring". For current bowhunters it clearly is not.
The way the rules are now anyone can participate in the archery pre season.
With the potential changes participation will be capped. Please explain how this is not a loss of opportunity?
I never said it wasn't a loss of opportunity for current bow hunters but it will be a gain in opportunity for new crossbow users so that arguement really is a wash. The fundamental question is if crossbows belong in archery season...if they do, so do their users regardless of how in affects you. If they don't belong, then they don't belong. It's a simple question in a sea of red herrings. Why not just say they don't belong...I'm sure you believe that.
Thanks for trying to imply what I believe..
If anyone needs to clarify their stance on the issue it is you.
I thought it was fairly safe to imply that
Who cares what I think.......chances are I won't even get the opportunity to vote.
Section 109 of the Criminal Code of Canada
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Mandatory prohibition order
109. (1) Where a person is convicted, or discharged under section 730, of
(a) an indictable offence in the commission of which violence against a person was used, threatened or attempted and for which the person may be sentenced to imprisonment for ten years or more,
(b) an offence under subsection 85(1) (using firearm in commission of offence), subsection 85(2) (using imitation firearm in commission of offence), 95(1) (possession of prohibited or restricted firearm with ammunition), 99(1) (weapons trafficking), 100(1) (possession for purpose of weapons trafficking), 102(1) (making automatic firearm), 103(1) (importing or exporting knowing it is unauthorized) or section 264 (criminal harassment),
(c) an offence relating to the contravention of subsection 5(3) or (4), 6(3) or 7(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, or
(d) an offence that involves, or the subject-matter of which is, a firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, any ammunition, any prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance and, at the time of the offence, the person was prohibited by any order made under this Act or any other Act of Parliament from possessing any such thing,
the court that sentences the person or directs that the person be discharged, as the case may be, shall, in addition to any other punishment that may be imposed for that offence or any other condition prescribed in the order of discharge, make an order prohibiting the person from possessing any firearm, cross-bow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, ammunition, prohibited ammunition and explosive substance during the period specified in the order as determined in accordance with subsection (2) or (3), as the case may be.
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My conversations with both Alberta Fish & Wildlife and Law Enforcement have revealed that a hunter that has a Mandatory Prohibition Order would NOT be allowed to hunt in an archery season with a crossbow (unless given a specific judicial exemption and if crossbows were legal in that season) but would still be allowed to hunt with a compound bow, a recurve or a long bow providing he or she held a valid Provincial hunting license.
Why is there a distinction made?
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Mandatory prohibition order
109. (1) Where a person is convicted, or discharged under section 730, of
(a) an indictable offence in the commission of which violence against a person was used, threatened or attempted and for which the person may be sentenced to imprisonment for ten years or more,
(b) an offence under subsection 85(1) (using firearm in commission of offence), subsection 85(2) (using imitation firearm in commission of offence), 95(1) (possession of prohibited or restricted firearm with ammunition), 99(1) (weapons trafficking), 100(1) (possession for purpose of weapons trafficking), 102(1) (making automatic firearm), 103(1) (importing or exporting knowing it is unauthorized) or section 264 (criminal harassment),
(c) an offence relating to the contravention of subsection 5(3) or (4), 6(3) or 7(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, or
(d) an offence that involves, or the subject-matter of which is, a firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, any ammunition, any prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance and, at the time of the offence, the person was prohibited by any order made under this Act or any other Act of Parliament from possessing any such thing,
the court that sentences the person or directs that the person be discharged, as the case may be, shall, in addition to any other punishment that may be imposed for that offence or any other condition prescribed in the order of discharge, make an order prohibiting the person from possessing any firearm, cross-bow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, ammunition, prohibited ammunition and explosive substance during the period specified in the order as determined in accordance with subsection (2) or (3), as the case may be.
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My conversations with both Alberta Fish & Wildlife and Law Enforcement have revealed that a hunter that has a Mandatory Prohibition Order would NOT be allowed to hunt in an archery season with a crossbow (unless given a specific judicial exemption and if crossbows were legal in that season) but would still be allowed to hunt with a compound bow, a recurve or a long bow providing he or she held a valid Provincial hunting license.
Why is there a distinction made?
