Best non-res SHTF gun?

Non-restricted SHTF goodness. The moment SHTF I'll be bringing out the cordless drill and going to work on the mags.

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winnipegger said:
LOL what is that based on? I'd have to strongly disagree.... in a fight 30rd mags and semi auto make 5-10 rounds and a lever look like a joke.... accuracy would be at least equal or better from the average black rifle (lever's aren't known to be tack drivers anyway) and what does decisively mean in this context anyway?
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Well, like I said it's whatever you have with you. So, if you feel better with your horde of pinned mags that will likely be at home when you need them, that's OK. Me, I feel better with a 30-30 under my seat where it usually is. I can find ammo almost anywhere, I can't lose that paltry 5 round tubular mag, I can shoot big game, plus with chamber inserts I can shoot .32 ACP, or the .32 S&W family, or .30 carbine for smaller critters. Defensively, zombies and mobs likely won't be the problem, if they are then your black rifle probably won't help you much at the end of the day. So for most engagements, 6 rounds of 30-30 should suffice, plus I can top off the rifle any chance I get. I'll agree on the the accuracy to "at least equal" if you're talking AR's, but they're restricted. Any of your non restricted black rifles commonly available that have a 30 Rd capacity (eg Mini 14, SKS-D, CZ 858, all which I own or have owned), please, a Win 94 with a good receiver sight will shoot circles around them. And decisively means that if I center a soft skinned bipedal critter inside of 200Y with a 150-170 Gr. .30 cal bullet, I probably won't need to worry about it anymore. LOL all you like.
 
2bad4u2 said:
You don't think first responders and the police would have better things to do with the little manpower and resources they have available? Please, you give them waayyy too much credit.

If Katrina is any barometer of a SHTF scenario, then we could suspect that some of those LEO's would simply desert the force to protect their own families and say hearty "F*ck You!" to the rest of society, others to join the looters and malcontents, and the remaining brave officers to stay at their posts to live up to their sworn oath. That leaves precious few to do the work of many.

If anything, you might possibly see co-operation with armed citizenry who chose to help maintain law & order through neighbourhood watch type situations. This is well documented in the aftermath of Katrina. I have no doubt it could potentially be the case here.
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As I recalled they called in the national guard and had them confiscate all the guns.

And they don't need to go door to door. Just send out revocation notices
 
Starscream said:
As I recalled they called in the national guard and had them confiscate all the guns.

And they don't need to go door to door. Just send out revocation notices
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You can forget about that! There's NO WAY a unionized postal worker would work in an un-safe work environment! :D

Ok, assuming that you found (1) mailman to deliver it (however unlikely). Now, who's going to enforce the revocation without going to your door to collect it? Please don't tell me you'd voluntarily go out of your way to surrender the only means of defending yourself?
 
Since the clusterf@ck in New Orleans, a new law was passed in the USA (At first 21 states copied the newest Louisianna law. Then George W Bush signed it into federal law) The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2008. It basically says, is that if the law abiding owner of said firearm is in compliance with pre-existing state/federal laws, and is the legit owner, it is unlawful to confiscate it from him/her in time of a disaster.
The only way to disarm anyone at all, is passage to safety via other means of transportation (IE-rescue chopper)
 
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Its whatever you can get your paws on, at that particular moment that'll make any difference in a SHTF scenario with you having the advantage.
 
I am asking myself of the "authorities" will give us hard times with these SHTF/ gun related treads soon ?
Because we all know that a real SHTF situation will "never occur".... for them, so...
It might give them the doctrinal ammo "they" need to take away more guns...
Sounds like: The gun owners discuss end of the world on their board, talking about using guns to defend themselves ! We must all call 911 in a SHTF situation i guess...
Hellô ! ??? Is anybody over the phone !!!!????
 
shadow sniper said:
I am asking myself of the "authorities" will give us hard times with these SHTF/ gun related treads soon ?
Because we all know that a real SHTF situation will "never occur".... for them, so...
It might give them the doctrinal ammo "they" need to take away more guns...
Sounds like: The gun owners discuss end of the world on their board, talking about using guns to defend themselves ! We must all call 911 in a SHTF situation i guess...
Hellô ! ??? Is anybody over the phone !!!!????
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And you don't think you're contributing to this with a nickname like "shadow sniper"? Please, your argument is weak, humorous at best.
 
saskcop said:
In a shtf-non restricted scenario, a CZ858 with 4 or more mags, lots of stripper clips, etc. All you need is something reliable and capable of sending many rounds down range in a hurry. I have been on a two way firing range before and all you are concerned about is running out of ammo, and your gun going bang every time you pull the trigger. Caliber doesn't mean as much as you think because if you have any hole in you - you are in trouble.
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I agree. nothing beats a CZ. For $1200 I have a cz858 non restricted, 2400 rounds of ammo, 8 mags and a full parts kit. Thats a total potential 240 loaded rounds if the rivets are out... :D
 
I really don't get the SKS as I see many of them have issues moreso than I see AK's however if you get a good one (unlike myself) maybe they are good.

My vote would be the trusty remington 870 wingmaster. First you can use a vast variety of loads that are common as well if you have a rifled sabot barrel you can achieve rifle accuracy and good range or just whoop some a$$ with some 00 Buckshot.

If you are looking for something hardcore probably an XCR or non restricted VZ58 or something. However in a SHTF scenario restricted and non restricted laws probably won't mean all that much.
 
tactical870 said:
I agree. nothing beats a CZ. For $1200 I have a cz858 non restricted, 2400 rounds of ammo, 8 mags and a full parts kit. Thats a total potential 240 loaded rounds if the rivets are out... :D
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I completely agree with the 858 as being the ultimate SHTF go-to gun, but am a little worried about the corrosive ammo which we shoot from them. I never used to worry about it that much, rushing home to clean my gun after a day of shooting in the bush.
But I do know that with the humid climate of the coast, if you don’t clean your gun within a day it will inevitably start to rust — I’ve seen it in my shooting partner’s gun. This is NOT a good thing when you’re out in the bush blasting away with corrosive ammo and may not be able to get to a boiling water source or a cleaning kit for a couple of days because the “enemy” is preventing you from exposing your exact location.

Nevertheless, if you can deal with the corrosion issue, the 858 really is (IMO) the best possible go-to gun around.
 
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