Leupold,,,, very disapointed

alta780 said:
That is great, and leupold should get credit where credit is due. My problem is with changing policies, in order to control sales for increased profits, and to wash their hands from warranty. The #1 reason I was going to buy Leupold was because they have service in Canada. The rifle I was going to have built was going to come from a US builder, who with great credit to him has built a 1000 yd range on his farm, and insists that every gun he builds goes thru his break in, and accuracy testing. This requires the scope be bought in the US. Leupold would not change their policy except for financial reasons, (increased prices, and profit from us Canadian Sheep who don't see any problem with changes that insure that we pay more than, the guy 10 KM south of the border) I do like their product, I don't like the policy changes, all in the name of "extra" profit. If I have to send my scope back to the US should I need any warranty, I will buy from someone else who builds as good, or better at equal or less cost.
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In the end what you are doing is completely under your control and I respect your descision. Be careful in other brands of optics you consider as many have similar (just not as well known) warranty policies as Leupold. Good luck on your build and I hope you are satisfied with the end result. Phil.
 
alta780 said:
That is great, and leupold should get credit where credit is due. My problem is with changing policies, in order to control sales for increased profits, and to wash their hands from warranty. The #1 reason I was going to buy Leupold was because they have service in Canada. The rifle I was going to have built was going to come from a US builder, who with great credit to him has built a 1000 yd range on his farm, and insists that every gun he builds goes thru his break in, and accuracy testing. This requires the scope be bought in the US. Leupold would not change their policy except for financial reasons, (increased prices, and profit from us Canadian Sheep who don't see any problem with changes that insure that we pay more than, the guy 10 KM south of the border) I do like their product, I don't like the policy changes, all in the name of "extra" profit. If I have to send my scope back to the US should I need any warranty, I will buy from someone else who builds as good, or better at equal or less cost.
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You will only run into problems with Canadian warranty service if your scope was manufactured by Leupold on or after Nov.1,2010. All your builder has to ensure is that the scope he puts on your rifle was manufactured before this date.
 
Thanks bearkilr, I am aware of the date stated above. I am not trying to knock Leupold quality, simply policy changes by them and many others. It seems everything we buy is more expensive even when considering any dollar exchange. this is simply to put more money per unit sold into the pockets of the manufacturers, and distributors.

I simply was trying to enlighten people as to why these types of policies get put in place.
I will leave it up to everyone to decide if they prefer to pay more for everything just because we live in Canada. The shipping and duties are not a factor as many would beleive.

One last note I will be buying my wife a new SUV in the states, and will gladly keep the $12,700 that I will save, in my bank account, rather than give it to the manufacturer. I would much prefer to deal local, but I wont be compelled when I know the dealer is not the one making all this extra money. They loose due to corporate policy just as we do.
Don't feel bad if you buy from the US and save a bunch of money, the more who do this the more likley the manufacturers will quit gouging Canadians. This would also be better for Canadian merchants in the long run.
 
alta780 said:
Thanks bearkilr, I am aware of the date stated above. I am not trying to knock Leupold quality, simply policy changes by them and many others. It seems everything we buy is more expensive even when considering any dollar exchange. this is simply to put more money per unit sold into the pockets of the manufacturers, and distributors.

I simply was trying to enlighten people as to why these types of policies get put in place.
I will leave it up to everyone to decide if they prefer to pay more for everything just because we live in Canada. The shipping and duties are not a factor as many would beleive.

One last note I will be buying my wife a new SUV in the states, and will gladly keep the $12,700 that I will save, in my bank account, rather than give it to the manufacturer. I would much prefer to deal local, but I wont be compelled when I know the dealer is not the one making all this extra money. They loose due to corporate policy just as we do.
Don't feel bad if you buy from the US and save a bunch of money, the more who do this the more likley the manufacturers will quit gouging Canadians. This would also be better for Canadian merchants in the long run.
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I'm in 100% agreement with you. I have no issues with buying in the US.

How does it work with vehicles ? Can you now buy new or do they still have to be previously titled to an American? How about warranty?
 
Grizzly, why you ask?

Grizzlypeg said:
It's all about money and providing financial incentives to the Canadian distributor and warranty centre. I don't mind paying a bit more for buying in Canada, but if I bought in the states and the warranty is no good, where did the money go they set aside for warranty? Also, why isn't the price difference more consistent between Canada and US. I can buy a VXII or III for say $150-$200 more here. But if I buy a Mark IV, its $1,200 more, double the price. Why?
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because it is no different than those who PAY WAY more than they should for a semi custom build on a REM 700. I have noticed on CGN that a LOT of people are willing to spend just as much money on using a REM 700 action for a build as they could if they did it on a REAL aftermarket action.

If guys will pay the manufacturers/businesses they will charge according. Right now or dollar is GREAT. I am sure my last BR rifle if I had to get the smith to do it all would have been right around 2800.00-3000.00 just for the rifle. I quite often see new unfired Rem 700 that are done up for WAY MORE.

Same with the scopes. For some reason the TACTICOOL thing is what people want so they charge accordingly. TACTICOOL relates to military and when it comes to that nothing is spared not even the money.

I have heard also that part of the issue with the Leupold US/Canada thing (warranty) has to do with Leupold having a contract with the US military and the rules regarding exportation out of the country.

CBY
 
bearkilr For vehicles you can find out the warranty info simply by calling any local service department, and telling them that you want to bring in an american bought unit X for service This will also tell you which manufacturers are protecting their Canadian mark up with the bad for Canadian policy. I have heard that Honda has introduced a policy that could see an american dealer loose his or her franchise, if they sell to Canadians', now there is Strong Arm tactics, Can-Am has a similar policy, and as a company that has sucked more tax payer dollars out of Canada, than the people on welfare. I laugh at people who buy their Quads from Can-Am who has set up plants in Mexico with your tax dollars, then charge us 2 to 4 K more than the US guys, who never kept Bombardier afloat with a single tax payer penny.

cycbb486, please don't beleive for a minute that the policy change and the extra price you will pay in Canada, for a scope has anything to do with US military contracts.
They do sell any scope you would want to buy, right here in Canada, for more money. Their cost for conforming to US government rules for export, is very very little per unit, and probably is only a matter of summitting the paperwork for proof of just how many and which units they sent up here.
 
bearkilr said:
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One last comment and I will let this thread go into the sunset. I do appreciate the uposing view from others especialy from Phil at P&d, who waded into this. I have all the respect in the world for how P&D and other dealers in our area do business. I am just tired of manufacturers grabbing extra money out of Canadian pockets. Then putting up road blocks, when we try to save some money. These policies are far reaching and Leupold is not the only company, to change in the name of profit. The Americans wouldn't tolerate such prices, and policies, why should we.
 
very simple solution

Guys, there is a very simple solution to this problem. This new policy was brought in Nov 1st of last year I believe. All the U.S. bought scopes with serial #'s made before this date are ok. I highly doubt there are still not thousands of new scopes on shelves in the U.S. with pre Nov 1st serial numbers. Have your gunsmith go buy the scope for you making sure it was made before Nov 1st. Done deal, and nothing Korth can do about it.
 
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alta780 said:
cycbb486, please don't beleive for a minute that the policy change and the extra price you will pay in Canada, for a scope has anything to do with US military contracts.
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not say I believe it I said I have heard. If I talk to someone who is in the know then I will believe it.

It is amazing how much people complain about the cost of optics but are willing to get royally SCREW++ by a gunsmith in cost of a build. I paid only $100.00 more for my Leupold Competition 45X in Canada versus the US. You tell me that is ridiculous. All but one of my rifles sport Leupolds bought in Canada. The one that is not does not matter because it was altered and I am not worried about Warranty on it.

I would really like to see where someone paid over 1000.00 above US pricing on a Leupold? If that is on a Mark4 I would not waste my money on one over a standard VXIII.

CBY
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Many, many people buy scopes out of the US because of the huge price difference in many cases. A capital market should be allowed to exist, with minimal restrictions and regulations controlling honest competition. This is what NAFTA is all about between Canada and the US. If I can get something cheaper in the US, I will.

Buying a Leupold scope in the US that was made before the cutoff date is simply using a band-aid to fix a stab wound...
 
Just sold my old leupold vari-x II on principle. Done with the company. Period. The guy who bought it got a good deal and was happy and I'm very happy as well... with my new weaver. Goodbye Loop-holed!
 
bearkilr said:
Actually, I believe it has nothing to do with 9/11, whereas it has everything to do with the dollar being at par. 8 years ago you'd be paying 30%+ on exchange rates if buying a scope in US $.
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That is not true. I remember clearly 10 years ago I bought a Zeizz from the US, and the exchange rate was $1.45 at hte time. After the exchange, tax and shipping, I still saved $400. I still have the scope and the visa receipt.
The Canadian importers are taking advantage of the new import restriction laws to up the prices.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
I see Wholesale Sports has dropped the price on the Mark 4 4.5-14x50 M1 with mildot from $2400 to $2129.95 (item 269323).

I see on Optics Planet in the US they sell the Mark 4 4.5-14x50 M1 with mildot for $1074.00, (item LU-RS-M41-4514x50-54660) having dropped the price recently as well by $250.00

That makes a price difference of $1076 originally and $1055 now.

Maybe I'm not comparing the exact models, but they both appear to be 30mm tube, same magnification, non illuminated, M1 turret, mildots.

I remember at one time they were $1200 in the US and $2400 in Canada. Exchange rate must be lowering the Canadian price.
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if we re talking about the non illum dot the msrp for 2011 is 1441.99$ usd
L60005 reference
the 54660 is 1301.60 usd $

all for the canadian resellers ...

so maybe it s time to seek other place for your purchase ....
 
If I can point something out... I don't believe that Leupold USA is voiding warranties on Scopes Purchased Internationally - so if you can't get Korth Group to service it I believe that you can still get Leupold USA to service. For a long while, Mark 4 scopes had to be serviced in the USA so having gone through the process - Leupold USA is very good a servicing scopes in Canada. I would say that if you bought your scope and had an issue (unlikely as it is) you could send it Stateside for repair. There is zero regulations stopping a scope from leaving Canada and entering USA and unless your Scope has a reticle/configuration restricted by ITAR it should be able to come back no problem. If you do have a scope configuration that is covered by ITAR Leupold USA will help you with the exportation process from the USA. How do I know? Because I had to do it - Leupold USA helped me through filling out the Export Papers and I was able to send my Mark 4 back No Problemo.

Korth Group not covering Leupold Warranties would not turn me off purchasing a Leupold Scope from the USA. I would just contact Leupold USA for service. Korth is not the only company that can legally export a Leupold scope even if they want you to believe that. I personally think their tactics of trying to scare off cross-border purchases as despicable trade practices but if Leupold has ok'd it with them to make it a "selling feature" of the scopes they personally exported so be it... but if you are willing to go through the trouble of legally exporting your build I almost guarantee Leupold USA will still honor the warranty. At worst your gunsmith would likely be able to warranty a scope he sold to you - so you would have to send the scope to him and he would have to forward it on to Leupld but you should still be able to get it serviced.

Just my 2 cents.
 
mightyhunter said:
That is not true. I remember clearly 10 years ago I bought a Zeizz from the US, and the exchange rate was $1.45 at hte time. After the exchange, tax and shipping, I still saved $400. I still have the scope and the visa receipt.
The Canadian importers are taking advantage of the new import restriction laws to up the prices.
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I thought we were talking about Leupold?
Zeiss comes from Germany and then the value of the Euro comes into play, whole different ball game. There were lots of small American retailers selling Euro optics they obtained straight from Europe, grey market optics if you will. They were giving a huge discount over the same optics available at big box optics dealers in the US.
Pretty much the same scenario as we have happening here. You had to ship those back to Germany/Austria for service.
 
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