Leupold,,,, very disapointed

Not the Conquest. assembled in the US and warr service in US. Leu at the time was also cheaper so as other American scopes.
I went with Zeizz bc I was never a Leu fan.

By the wait, I had one of my Zeizz sent to the US for service last year. no problem what so ever and did not have to do any paper work. Gentec took care of that.
 
mightyhunter said:
Not the Conquest. assembled in the US and warr service in US. Leu at the time was also cheaper so as other American scopes.
I went with Zeizz bc I was never a Leu fan.

By the wait, I had one of my Zeizz sent to the US for service last year. no problem what so ever and did not have to do any paper work. Gentec took care of that.
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FWIW, it's spelled ZEISS. ;)
 
I know I stated that I was going to let my original post fade, but me and my big mouth
just can't. Jordan Smith made a statement about capital markets. Leupold and Korth are all for free trade for them, but not for you and me. They used protection type policies to stop you, and put more in their pockets. The Canadian service was set up because of the shear volume of scopes sold in Canada, they just don't want you to save any money, and use that Canadian service. It is less profitable.


Mightyhunter pointed out that he bought a Zeiss when the exchange was bigger and still saved money. This should tell everyone something (we pay more, sheep in a pen).

Glockforever pointed out that Leupold will still warranty a scope bought in the US, if you send it back there. The policy change is simply to stop you from saving money in the US, because you will have to do just that. Leupold does not enjoy the huge Canadian sales they have just because they are better. It is because they had Canadian service, with all things being equal now because of "profit protection policy" I will buy europe.
It was pointed out they think NAFTA is just for them, and not for you and I.

As far as importing a scope it is just some paperwork, and not the end of the world.
Most retailers such as optics planet won't export simply because of Manufacturer policy not US Gov policy. It is realy quite easy to import.
 
Yes, and I am sorry I do have one more thing to say. I now wonder if Leupold would drag their feet on repairs in the US, should a Canadian need to send their scope back.

I just no longer trust this Company, and will not buy from them unless as I said in the past, if I can just about steal one that I might want.

Leupold went from first on my list to last. Swaro, Zeiss, S&B for high end, Vortex, Sightron, and possibly Burris for lower to mid.
 
alta780 said:
Yes, and I am sorry I do have one more thing to say. I now wonder if Leupold would drag their feet on repairs in the US, should a Canadian need to send their scope back.

I just no longer trust this Company, and will not buy from them unless as I said in the past, if I can just about steal one that I might want.

Leupold went from first on my list to last. Swaro, Zeiss, S&B for high end, Vortex, Sightron, and possibly Burris for lower to mid.
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What are the exact components that you can't get in Canada for your build??

Thanks
 
I don't want to hijack my own thread, and change this into a "what do you think about my build thread". This started by pointiong out that Leupold, and Korth it appears colaberated, and changed policy in order to insure more profit per unit from us Sheep.
 
Did you ever stop to consider that areas for retail are a function of a contract with the companies involved, and that throughout time there has always been "grey market" goods that are sold into someone's contracted area - be it cars, guns, scopes, freezers or whatever.

Companies invest a lot of time and money to enter into exclusivity agreements to obtainm an area and to market goods. If those agreements are being transgressed by other concerns, then steps are taken to protect the business interest of the parties.

I suspect a relatively small market of Canada, with I assume Korth being the licensed legal distributor of the product, is having grey market scopes being sold by various concerns in disregard to the licensing agreements.

The grey market goods can not and will not be protected under a licensing agreement that was made to protect the concern that originally purchased the rights to the area.

The owners of the grey market goods will need to look to the warranty expressly provided when and where they purchased their goods.

If you dont want a warranty - fine. If you want some warranty work - you had better make sure you are eligible for warranty work in the area that you send it.

I used to buy a ton of camera equipment from New York many years ago when there was no such equipment available in Canada. It was clear to me - there was no world wide warranty on the product. USA - yes - Canada - no.

I do not see this as any dark recission of warranty promises made by Leupold. They have set out the parameters of their protection. It costs them money. Next you will be wondering why they are not warrantying copies and knock offs of their scopes.

If you dont like them anymore - great - I will buy what is available as I do respect business and they have treated me like gold for many, many years.

The parties I refuse to do business with is the grey market suppliers - the ones who are not quite selling what they represent to be selling.

It is your money - you spend it where you wish.
 
alta780 said:
I don't want to hijack my own thread, and change this into a "what do you think about my build thread". This started by pointiong out that Leupold, and Korth it appears colaberated, and changed policy in order to insure more profit per unit from us Sheep.
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My appologies...

I though the thread was about this...

I have talked to a few builders up here. A couple of the components that I want, I haven't found up here "yet". Beleive me I will build up here if I end up getting exactly what I want. I try to support local, every chance I get. I will pay extra for, and buy products built in Canada/North America vs china etc. Most people don't even read the labels. I have been on this for a while, and if
I didn't care where I was buying, I would have had it built in the US already.

The point is that Leupold is looking for a warranty escape route. This type of practice is disturbing to me, and I think should be to others. It is no different than the quad and other manufacturers who threaten to close down dealers for selling to Canadians, then turn around and charge Canadians thousands more for the same product. With a par dollar we should be very aware and wary of no warranty practices like this. There is an underlying reason that they do it, and usualy these things involve money, which we always seem to pay more of.
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But as it's not, and without derailing...

what components can you not get n Canada for your build...?
 
2 Things:

1.) Alta780: Leupold never dragged their heels on warranty work for my Mark 4 - I sent two down to the States (1x bought in Canada and 1x bought in USA) and both came back in very quick time. Leupold is a stand up company.

2.) Farshot: I will point out that Leupolds legally bought in the USA and exported legally to Canada ARE NOT grey market. I would like you to show me where on Leupold USA's webpage that they will not sell internationally or that all sales have to be purchased in the country that the citizens reside in. Korth Group came up with this policy to say that they will only service what THEY sell (i.e. Leupolds that they imported and registered in their database) I think that is a whole lot of hokum as there should only be 1x database for Leupold Scopes (serial numbers to models) and if your scope has a serial number that matches the model in that database you should be serviced regardless. This is a totally sly tactic to discourage International Sales from the USA. However, savvy buyers can still get around this nonsense by sending their scope to Leupold USA for servicing as the mothership still warranties their scopes. I believe in supporting local business BUT if I can legally purchase a Leupold scope and import it to Canada while saving 500 bucks, guess what I am going to do...

I would hazard a guess that this new warranty policy is not a Leupold initiative as they likely reimburse Korth for repairs regardless of where the scope originated (as long as it is a true Leupold) but I can totally see Korth Group wanting to block other Distributors from getting in on this action and they have leverage with Leupold as I am sure they don't want to deal with a large influx of warranty work if Korth Group threatens to back out. The warranty depot in US that I sent my scopes to seemed pretty darn busy...

Just another useless i-net opinion.
 
Glock,

there is no 500$ over difference between a scope here and down in the south if it happens on a model still in production you may have to look for another reseller or retailer ... in Canada ...
 
I did not read all the replys but but in regards to the warranty ( and I may be wrong ) Do you even need a sales receipt or be the original purchaser to return a scope for repairs and if not how can the repair depot determine where it was bought and to who it was sold to . Is it not a lifetime warranty for who ever owns it.
 
I guess I'm in this for the long haul, and I have to admit I do like good debate, and love to hear uposing views.

1st-Farshot, to state that I or anyone else will next be upset because a manufacturer
will not warranty a fake is absurd. It seems that you have a good sense of business practices, but we disagree. If in fact the Canadians were not over charged for many products there would be no need for companies like Korth, Leupold and others to change policies which keep the average person from doing exactly what they do, "buy where they can get the best price". This policy change was to ensure added profit from Canadian sales by trying to force us to pay more here, nothing else.

All due respect to you, this is proven thru the car industry and everyone else who can see their extra Canadian profit. Leupold and Korth are simply following the lead of others.
 
2nd- sealhunter, you took a very small portion of my writings, which in my books means
it is out of context. As I stated I will build here as long as I end up with the gun I want
at the price I want it, as of yet I haven't found the exact components. If not for profit reasons, and to ensure continued sales at higher prices in Canada, can you explain why
Leupold would change their policy.

Again no disrespect.
 
3rd-Glock4ever- I am glad that you pointed out, the great service you were provided stateside. I stated that I wondered if Leupold would drag their feet, and I am happy to hear that they don't. I would then suggest to everyone to buy any scope or any other product that they can from the US, untill manufacturers and Canadian distributors, quit skinning us.

With Nafta these companies can no longer let us beleive that, the cost, and duties to ship to Canada, warrant the higher prices that we are charged. There are a few extra costs, including our labor rates, but these do not add up. I will again go to vehicles which average in the $12,000 range higher here, than just south of the 49th. Why are
dealers being threatend to lose their franchises for selling to Canadians? This will be the next step for other companies of all types. They know we will pay, and they will take any steps needed to keep it that way.
 
4th-lyktohunt, you will have to keep your proof of purchase for warranty on current Leupold scopes. I am sure that they have the serial #s for those sold here and the US, but I would keep my reciept.
 
alta780 said:
2nd- sealhunter, you took a very small portion of my writings, which in my books means
it is out of context. As I stated I will build here as long as I end up with the gun I want
at the price I want it, as of yet I haven't found the exact components. If not for profit reasons, and to ensure continued sales at higher prices in Canada, can you explain why
Leupold would change their policy.

Again no disrespect.
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None taken, and for the third time...

What component(s) is it you can not get in Canada
 
sealhunter you remind me, of me, you are persistant. You obviously can see, that I was skirting that question. The components will remain unkown for now, there were 3 but one is just not practical for hunting applications, and with the other 2 I am in discusions with the manufacturers to distribute them in Canada, if I can bring them in and keep the price in line with US. I will answer the next question,,, No none of these US components are scopes.

The issue brought up is one that has ticked me off for years, and realy got to me when I bought my quad in the states for "under" Canadian dealer cost. As a matter of fact I bought 9 quads that time, 1 for me, a couple for friends, and sold the rest at a profit, which was still well under the best price here. I did this well before the dollar even came close to par.

To each their own but I for one, and I hope many others will not be force fed high prices by manufacturers, just because I am a Canadian.
 
I agree

medvedqc said:
Glock,

there is no 500$ over difference between a scope here and down in the south if it happens on a model still in production you may have to look for another reseller or retailer ... in Canada ...
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with the above comment. I have yet to see that big a price difference on any Leupold scope I am interested in.

It is funny how everyone says shop at home when it comes to actions etc. but on optics go states side because we are being ripped off......... :confused::confused:

As Kevin O'Leary says, show me the money, I say show me the PROOF that Leupold is that much more in Canada over the US.

Here is the straight up question. How many people actually bring in any scope with any sort of range finding capabilities like Mil dot etc Legally? I mean doing the paperwork and having it exported out of the US.

Bet very few. I am asking for facts. Period.

CBY
 
alta780 said:
sealhunter you remind me, of me, you are persistant. You obviously can see, that I was skirting that question. The components will remain unkown for now, there were 3 but one is just not practical for hunting applications, and with the other 2 I am in discusions with the manufacturers to distribute them in Canada, if I can bring them in and keep the price in line with US. I will answer the next question,,, No none of these US components are scopes.

The issue brought up is one that has ticked me off for years, and realy got to me when I bought my quad in the states for "under" Canadian dealer cost. As a matter of fact I bought 9 quads that time, 1 for me, a couple for friends, and sold the rest at a profit, which was still well under the best price here. I did this well before the dollar even came close to par.

To each their own but I for one, and I hope many others will not be force fed high prices by manufacturers, just because I am a Canadian.
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You have a come long way in your knowledge of firearms and components since this time last year...

I am still very interested as to what components you cannot get in Canada which are legal in Canada, for your rifle build,...but I digress...

Wish you you luck with your new build,..what is the approximate timeline you are looking at to have it in hand..?

I'd like to see it when it is done... custom jobs are a thing of beauty.

Seal
 
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