.223 vs deer?
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Must be tough, living in a world where you have to be told what decisions you are allowed to make for yourself, versus what you are allowed to learn on your own.
I doubt its the caliber that is crippling your game out there.................
Headstamps don't kill animals. Placement kills animals.
While I'm aware that you are trying to be sarcastic here, I'm still going to speak to this......
Take a look at the buck my girlfriend shot, posted earlier in this thread. Would've been right close to 300lbs on the hoof. Both shoulders punched through, and a big leg bone broken also. Not to mention ribs on both sides, and a half dollar size hole bored through the top of his ticker and the bottoms of his lungs.....Use a proper bullet, and the only thing that you have to concern yourself with is putting it where its supposed to go, with enough velocity to open up. Deer aren't tough to kill.
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Just curious as to what these camps call a "pop" gun??? 
Lose the debate - LOL - for normal relatively intelligent sportsmen with a reasonable respect for the game we harvest - there is no debate. But I guess you being a masterdebater par excellence I expect everything is about you and your debate.
And you must truly have some deficiencies - you started the trash talk.
Here on the internet we have all the perfect little snipers supreme looking down there cyber noses at anyone not willing to risk wounding an animal suffering a lingering death because of a calibre choice.
It's because of these "sportsmen" that some provinces have had to make laws prohibiting the use of game crippling calibres. I hope that never happens here, but one thing I do know - bring a pop gun to most of the deer camps I have been to, and you wont be hunting with it. Kind of a self policing policy.
It's sort of like flying, ensure you have enough fuel for your flight, plus a reserve. And because some pilots are not smart enough to realize that is a good policy, they had to make laws.( And some still run out, hey Redfrog, you fly??
Just curious as to what these camps call a "pop" gun???
I would assume anything smaller than what grandad used to use. Anything larger than grandad used to use would be a "cannon" and also ridiculed by close minded "deer campers"
Yeah Yeah Yeah of course but the difference is the larger caliber is far more capable of doing damage that will penetrate into the vitals due to having bullet weight/momentum when the shot is not well placed ...
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Yep....just because others are inept, or useless, they, for some reason feel the need to project their inadequacies on others. They don't realize that some may be more patient, and more savvy, to wait for a good shot. The .223 is an experts, or patient mans round....so it's probably better off that they don't want to, or desire to use it.
On a side note......why would one be shooting through brush with any cartridge? That is unethical!
On a side note......why would one be shooting through brush with any cartridge? That is unethical!
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No silly that is not what I meant what I meant was if you hit it in the ass because the game animal spun around just as you squeezed off the shot instead of wounding it the larger/heavier bullet would penetrate enough to kill it...
No silly that is not what I meant what I meant was if you hit it in the ass because the game animal spun around just as you squeezed off the shot instead of wounding it the larger/heavier bullet would penetrate enough to kill it...
Got it. That's why the wannabe Rambos get the big flinch makers instead of learning how to shoot. It compensates for their short comings.
There is no merrit to that statement whatsoever if you are using suitable bullets.
Punch a hole through the hams and there will be very little difference between doing it with a 400 gr hardcast from a 45-70 and the same hole driven there with a 53 gr tsx.
A bullet of any size that doesn't go where its supposed to is of no value and you are relying on pure luck at that point.
Punch a hole through the hams and there will be very little difference between doing it with a 400 gr hardcast from a 45-70 and the same hole driven there with a 53 gr tsx.
A bullet of any size that doesn't go where its supposed to is of no value and you are relying on pure luck at that point.
Then there are those like me that learnt how to shoot and progressed up to the more powerful rifle/cartridge combo's over years because we don't flinch with these combo's like some that are afraid of them.
Its sounding to me like that is your issue...
Then there are those like me that learnt how to shoot and progressed up to the more powerful rifle/cartridge combo's over years because we don't flinch with these combo's like some that are afraid of them.
Its sounding to me like that is your issue...
Pretty sure that isnt what 'Frog is saying.
Also positive that I see a lot of guys af the range with 300's they shoot once a year the week before opening day.
Also very sure that a new shooter can be waaaay more accurate with a smallbore centerfire than they can be with a large bore. And by new shooter I mean anyone who isnt touching off at least 500 rounds per year.
Then there are those like me that learnt how to shoot and progressed up to the more powerful rifle/cartridge combo's over years because we don't flinch with these combo's like some that are afraid of them.
Its sounding to me like that is your issue...
I don't have an issue. I shoot it dies. no issue.
It does sound like you have something that works for you and that is great.
A lot of guys don't do what you did. Often they buy a hammer and then can't swing it more than once without twitching like Inspector Clouseau. They then sell their REm 700, 300 win mag to the friend for cheap because it is a tack driver and his wife won't let him keep it.
There are questions from some guys like "Is a 223 big enough for deer" and those are valid questions. You will never have unanimous agreement but so what? Those who have actually shot enough deer to know will keep using it and those who only get out of GTA on Wild TV. will continue to howl.
BUT. Those questions are shadowed by the number of posts asking which has more recoil a 222 or a 223. OR I want a rifle for my wife.[not a bad trade maybe]. She weighs 260 and is 9 feet tall. I've had my 270 for ten years and have nearly a half box of shells through it. I've only been to the range and this puppy has some smack down power. Will it recoil too much for her ?
Two ways to learn, make mistakes or learn from some one else's. A lot of guys on the internet with no real world experience will jump to advise someone who also has no experience. The myths continue.
I didn't start off thinking that in some cases, a 223 is very good for deer. If you can't figure out what those cases are then don't use it or ask questions.
I'd guess most deer are killed inside 100 yds. I don't think it takes a 300 win mag to kill a deer at that range unless you plan to use more than one shot.
A 223 in the vitals or ahead shot will kill the deer graveyard dead. Choose your bullet for minimum tissue damage, maximum penetration and little meat is lost. I.E. don't be using a VMax designed to 'explode' on varmints.
The 300 win mag will kill 'em too. But are not as enjoyable to shoot. Don't even think about arguing that point unless you want to come out and shoot 500 rounds one day at gophers.
At 300plus yards, then reach for the larger calibers. You wouldn't change a headlight with a hammer or drive a spike with a battery powered screwdriver.
Use the tool that is easiest and gets the job done. Pretty simple really.
Hope this helps.
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At 300plus yards, then reach for the larger calibers. You wouldn't change a headlight with a hammer or drive a spike with a battery powered screwdriver.
Use the tool that is easiest and gets the job done. Pretty simple really.
Hope this helps.
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Just run back to the truck and grab a deer gun when you see one 300 out! lol
( Actually , if you are a big enough dork to carry a .223 for deer, you would likely let fly anyways ).
Or do you carry a deer rifle as well as your varmint gun???
We can see you are quite the home handy man with your tool selections and hardware advice as well!
As an aside - Any of you fellas using a varmint gun, because times are tough and you cant afford a deer rifle?? Just wondering.
