Downside to no long gun registry...

Throttle_monkey1 said:
How about putting the onus on the police to determine that we are doing something illegal?
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Never going to happen...
Please understand that the policeman's job is not to deter criminal activity....
His job is to lay charges...
He is under no duress to exhibit common sense, good judgement, etc., but to lay charges (preferably multiple) and then let the courts and the Crown sort it out. The preference for multiple charges is analogous to flinging large numbers of turds at the wall....sooner or later, one of them is going to stick.
Having all the FRT printouts, certificates, letters from the RCMP, etc., isn't going to deter Officer Plod from handing out a summons, or even better,asking you to please turn around, assume the position, and go for a ride in the back of a cruiser.
I spent a couple of hours with a very find gentlemen who just retired from Metro, and he basically laid all of this out for me....Read it and weep.
 
Why worry about this now? We no nothing about what the legislation will look like. Besides, gut feeling tells me it's not going to be what we hope it will be anyway.

Armedsask, I would hazard a guess anything you build will still have to go to the RCMP for a classification determination anyway. I'd bet that this aspect of the legislation is not going to change.
 
Leroy78 said:
Nope, The HK R-8 is the SL-8 made for Australia, No gas system, hence the welding of gas port and removal of the gas block.

"Black Rifle" Companys have found a niche in Australia by offering their rifles as Straight Pull Bolt Actions, Same guns minus gas system. my friend has an XCR .223 minus the gas system for his "Roo" Rifle - No he's not a professional Roo shooter either.

If its good enough for Australia who is right behind England with F@#ked up gun laws, it "should" be fine here, If it needs to be verified so be it.

I cant see anyone reclassifying anything though. If they re-classify our semi auto's they sure as hell better re-classify all the BAR's, Ruger's, Remington & Winchester semi auto's. One In - ALL IN!
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woo hoo! lets pray to whatever god it is that we can that it never gets to that point okay.
I could see some companies doing that for us as well, as they have been doing the limited 18/19 inch barrel runs. As far as I'm concerned, any company that makes the effort to do that is worth supporting.
 
Time and again, REGISTRY=CONFISCATION! Guns were bought and sold for decades via mail-order under the old FAC program. No FRT to check and no registry. The potential for further unilateral reclassification remains as long as a registry is available to the RCMP.

Killing the registry doesn't mean simply ending the necessity to issue paper certificates either. It means complete destruction of all data currently contained within the registry database and cessation of further data collection or mining. Anything else and you have a pig dressed up to look like a cow.
 
sewktbk said:
third idea : move forward to try and abolish the restricted registry as well, since it is structured the same and has the same lack of purpose as the non-restricted one :DD
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I like that idea.

If there was no need for an ATT then a lot of the fuss over what gun you had would be not such a big deal. No ATT and you could discharge your pistol or AR where you could your non-restricteds.
 
Armedsask said:
I've been thinking about this for a few years now. We all hate the registry but I for one see one useful purpose I would prefer to keep: proof of classification. We've heard the stories many times from numerous members with their non-restricted black guns. Police and public alike, "You can't have that, it's illegal!"

It was always nice to have that piece of paper stating it was non-restricted. I'm a bit concerned about how to de-escalate these situations with no registry, especially with my homebuilt rifles. Was this worth keeping the LGR? Hell no, but it was handy.

Thoughts? Ideas on what can be done?
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The classifications themselves were the cause of the confusion. The LGR may have been a convenient band-aid to "clarify" some of that confusion.

Now that LGR may be gone, what to do about the remaining confusion (classifications).

Hmmm let me think. How about getting rid of these arbitrary classifications. :D

Restricted, Non-restricted, Prohibited. HUMBUG :)
 
LGR did have it's good points, which was vastly outweighed by it's cost. Given to the private sector, and they probably could have done it for 2 million.
 
trebor2880 said:
LGR did have it's good points, which was vastly outweighed by it's cost. Given to the private sector, and they probably could have done it for 2 million.
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There are zero good points to a registry. Firearms are tools, nothing more nothing less. We don't register scissors, table saws, or shovels, and there's no need to register firearms.

TDC
 
Clobbersauras said:
Armedsask, I would hazard a guess anything you build will still have to go to the RCMP for a classification determination anyway. I'd bet that this aspect of the legislation is not going to change.
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Hmmmmm..... :confused:

Why? If he's building long guns, classification determination is only to see where/if they fall on the FRT for registration. If you don't have to register, the whole exercise would be moot. Of course, if he's building restricted's than I believe you would be quite right.
 
TDC said:
There are zero good points to a registry. Firearms are tools, nothing more nothing less. We don't register scissors, table saws, or shovels, and there's no need to register firearms.

TDC
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Yeah, you're right. I was thinking of the ease in the transfers, but that would mean that "they" know about each and every gun we have.Some gov't, some time is gonna want them all, if we don't stay on top of them.
 
TDC said:
There are zero good points to a registry.
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Couldn't of said it better....there is nothing good about the registry. To say otherwise undermines everything we've worked for to this point in time.

Of course I realize that there are many gun owners who never knew the old system, where we were able to buy and sell guns with only an FAC in hand. It was simple, effective and delivered what it was supposed to. If you were buying a rifle, it was yours - buy it on the spot; no transfer crap required - you took it home with you. Handguns sat with the seller until the transfer was done, like today.

There were only two classifications - rifles, and handguns.

Get back to that system, (or none at all) and I'd be happy. No compromize.
 
Weapontech said:
Hmmmmm..... :confused:

Why? If he's building long guns, classification determination is only to see where/if they fall on the FRT for registration. If you don't have to register, the whole exercise would be moot. Of course, if he's building restricted's than I believe you would be quite right.
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We shall see. You think that the CPC, CFO, and RCMP are that trusting? I don't. The RCMP would still want to determine weather it's non-restricted or restricted. I can think of many examples where the RCMP determined that a rifle was restricted (or even prohibited) when the legislation seemed to indicate otherwise. You can bet your ass the "stakeholders" at the RCMP are lobbying hard on this and other issues with the CPC right now. All in the interest of public safety...right?
 
A simple solution. The handgun registry is for handguns only.

De-Restrict everything that is not a handgun.

Keeps things simple.
 
Simpler would be no registration at all (inc. handguns)...but I don't realistically see that happening (but a guy can wish can't he?)
 
Clobbersauras said:
..........You can bet your ass the "stakeholders" at the RCMP are lobbying hard on this and other issues with the CPC right now. All in the interest of public safety...right?
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Oh, most definitely......
Personally, I think the CPC's elimination of the LGR is going to come at a price. But at what cost to us is anyone's guess.

What scares me most was the rhetoric used for the platform of getting rid of the LGR. Statements such as, "why are we criminalizing the duck hunter, etc, etc".....only leads me to believe that classifications will continue to exist; and in fact, a new one will be created. They'll simply call them "hunting" firearms - and this class won't require registration. Everything else, would likely remain the same. I hope I'm wrong as hell.
 
It's hard to argue to the public for the de-restriction of handguns, if all legal handguns have been registered since the 1930's. You also throw away the ammunition of saying that gangbangers are using illicit firearms. At that point, we (legal gun owners) can't definitively say the firearms they have are smuggled, because you might end up with a straw purchase problem like in the States.
 
the_dude306 said:
Why restrict hand guns? I don't get it? De-restrict everything. My 9mm is no more likely to jump up and shoot somebody as my .338 is??
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It would be nice - but I doubt they will give us everything we want in one shot. Otherwise there's no reason to re-elect them.
 
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