Right,keep telling yourself that.
And you disagree Why ?
I have a feeling there are many city guys on here, and not many that have been on the farm.....
that is what I keep telling myself
Killing an animal
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And you disagree Why ?
I have a feeling there are many city guys on here, and not many that have been on the farm.....
that is what I keep telling myself
hunters ethics dictate that we kill the animal as efficiently as possible. Different variables dictate how efficient it occurs, but that is the goal. In controlled circumsances (such as slaughtering livestock) we should also adhere to that principle, and in 2011, slicing throats is not the most efficient way.
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I'm willing to bet that
I'm further from a city than most on this site and have killed and slaughtered more animals than many have seen.
I'm also willing to bet that you consider it the most humane method because you either eat Kosher or Halal meat.
I'm willing to bet that
I'm further from a city than most on this site and have killed and slaughtered more animals than many have seen.
I'm also willing to bet that you consider it the most humane method because you either eat Kosher or Halal meat.
As long as it's prepared the way I like it, I will eat it, it don't matter to me how it was slaughtered
I guess I am old school
Then again Sushi is great as well
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It's just my opinion based on anatomy,organs and their respective functioning roles, not religious reasons.
If I was told my death was imminent, I'd always choose getting JFK'd over a Colombian necktie.
If I was told my death was imminent, I'd always choose getting JFK'd over a Colombian necktie.
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Maybe not quite as effective, but I've never been a fan of blood sausage anyhow.
IMO, the most humane death is a bullet to the head of a completely unsuspecting animal, in other words a farm kill on a pasture or wild animal grazing,etc.
People that we sell our lamb to describe it as the most deliscious lamb they have ever tasted. Part of that is how they are raised, of course, but none of them are killed kosher style. Even with brains scrambled, the heart continues to pump for awhile, effectively bleeding the animal.
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I don't bowhunt. Never had the time to practice enough to become proficient. My experiences with archery revolve around tracking wounded game.
Ah religion, now there something that causes death and wars, and usually not very nice either. Lots of things done in the name of religion that most of us won’t agree with.
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I must have missed what this has to do with hunting?
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I've got $50 that says you couldn't tell the difference.
Defend the throat slash all you want, but I know that the light goes out faster when you flip a lightswitch than when you turn down the dimmer.
This is a very timely post for me. (I'm not about to wade into the kosher/halal debate)
The other day my family went and bought some rabbits for the freezer. We stopped on some crown land to clean them. My oldest boy is 8. He loves animals, and has helped raise rabbits, snakes and guinea pigs at home, and has helped or at least been present while we butcher deer. He picked up a brown rabbit out of the cage and kept petting it, and asking if we could keep it. While I killed and cleaned the first one, my wife took our sons for a walk. They came back as I was finishing the first one, and my oldest son was right into the van with this brown one out of the cage on his lap.
When the time came for the brown one to be done, I offered to let him go for another walk with his younger brothers but he didn't want to go. So I made sure he knew what was coming, and offered to let him stand on the other side of the van if he wanted. He said he understood what was happening and was interested in watching. I explained the twitching after death, then we hung it and cleaned it, and I explained what I was doing, pointed out the organs and their function etc.
A little while later he says "Dad when I have kids I don't think I'm going to kill stuff in front of them". I told him it was OK to be sad after watching something die, then I let him digest what he had seen for the rest of the day.
At dinner, I brought the subject up again. I explained to him that while he doesn't need to go out and kill his own meat if he doesn't want to, it's important to understand where meat comes from. The sausage he was eating was a pig at one time. The hamburgers he loves used to be cows etc.
I told him that killing something shouldn't bring you joy, but enjoying meat comes at a price and it's important to understand what that price is. I also explained that we did it as quickly as we could, and we made sure nothing was wasted. We didn't do it at home where the entrails would be put in landfill, but took it out to the bush where other critters will make a meal of what was left.
I work with a lot of tree huggers. They aren't necessarily anti hunting, they just couldn't stomach doing the deed themselves. What I found really interesting is that after relating this story at work, most of them were freaked out at first that I would let an 8 yr old witness that. After hearing the dinner conversation, many of them commented that they almost wish they had been given the same lesson when they were young.
The other day my family went and bought some rabbits for the freezer. We stopped on some crown land to clean them. My oldest boy is 8. He loves animals, and has helped raise rabbits, snakes and guinea pigs at home, and has helped or at least been present while we butcher deer. He picked up a brown rabbit out of the cage and kept petting it, and asking if we could keep it. While I killed and cleaned the first one, my wife took our sons for a walk. They came back as I was finishing the first one, and my oldest son was right into the van with this brown one out of the cage on his lap.
When the time came for the brown one to be done, I offered to let him go for another walk with his younger brothers but he didn't want to go. So I made sure he knew what was coming, and offered to let him stand on the other side of the van if he wanted. He said he understood what was happening and was interested in watching. I explained the twitching after death, then we hung it and cleaned it, and I explained what I was doing, pointed out the organs and their function etc.
A little while later he says "Dad when I have kids I don't think I'm going to kill stuff in front of them". I told him it was OK to be sad after watching something die, then I let him digest what he had seen for the rest of the day.
At dinner, I brought the subject up again. I explained to him that while he doesn't need to go out and kill his own meat if he doesn't want to, it's important to understand where meat comes from. The sausage he was eating was a pig at one time. The hamburgers he loves used to be cows etc.
I told him that killing something shouldn't bring you joy, but enjoying meat comes at a price and it's important to understand what that price is. I also explained that we did it as quickly as we could, and we made sure nothing was wasted. We didn't do it at home where the entrails would be put in landfill, but took it out to the bush where other critters will make a meal of what was left.
I work with a lot of tree huggers. They aren't necessarily anti hunting, they just couldn't stomach doing the deed themselves. What I found really interesting is that after relating this story at work, most of them were freaked out at first that I would let an 8 yr old witness that. After hearing the dinner conversation, many of them commented that they almost wish they had been given the same lesson when they were young.
We need to be careful what we wish for. Killing an animal with a bullet through the lungs is no different than bleeding them to death halal or kosher style. If we say halal or kosher slaughtering is cruel, then hunting must be as well.
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There are some big differences between hunting and slaughter.
The animal needs to be restrained for Halal,Kosher or any slaughterhouse method. I don't care what anyone says, animals can sense and smell death in these surroundings. That's why hunting is far more humane, they never know what happened when taken in their familiar environment. I would also be in favor of more on-farm slaughter meat, but consumers want the cheapest meat possible and the only way that's possible is with efficient, high volume slaughter plants.
I have to agree. To be honest, I'm disturbed by the organized, industrial objectification of animals in the modern foodchain, but hunting seems natural and respectfull of the animal and the circle of life we all belong to. Then again I could be out of me tree, I don't care either way, if it feels right,(assuming your not a psychopath) it probably is, and if it feels wrong, it just might be.
I struggled to find the least objectionable photo possible here, and I still object.
