Right, where is your review?
Damn straight I do. Setting the CGN gun world straight one XCR thread at a time is tough work, but someone should do it....
Xcr war
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Right, where is your review?
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'll let you guys get back to your circle jerk over which POS is better.
Don't hold back!
Don't really think the XCR-M is in the same league as an LMT, POF or KAC, though...
I don't think you can buy just a complete upper I bought my OD green XCR-L in 223 from Wolverine then a few months later after finding out about the 6.8SPC I purchased the 6.8SPC conversion kit from them.
I liked the 6.8SPC so much and accuracy was so good even out to 350 yards that I got tired of swapping out the barrels/kits and having to re-zero point of impact even though it was only out 1" - 2" at 300 yards.
If I was just a range plinker like the haters or didn't hunt it wouldn't have mattered but I was loading the hard to come by here in Canada Barnes 95gr TTSX for hunting and it was getting expensive to re-zero everytime.
So I contacted John @ Wolverine and ordered all the components for a second upper = appr 6 months later I was told that all the parts were in.
With the conversion kit/upper components/tax/shipping it cost appr $1500.00 for the complete upper.
Here is a pic of a rock I was shooting at range was 347 yards I was shooting off the back of my quad if you look closely appr 20 yards to the left of the top of the light coloured log is a small white rock.
I didn't hold for windage wind was right to left appr 5 mph I figure accuracy wasn't all that bad considering my rest first shot just barely missed the rock it hit to the right of my thumb and you can see the other two hit...
I consistantly get this kind of accuracy with the 6.8SPC and if I was shooting at a deer I would have held 4" right for windage.
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'more capable' being defined as holding attributes that are superior to these two products. Accuracy, reliability, robustness, etc.
The shooter is certainly a large part of the equation, but the rifle is a fairly large part of the puzzle.
So what would you suggest as an alternative to these(M and L) rifles...mag fed non-restricted so we are comparing apples with apples....
I have uppers in 223 & 6.8SPC and I keep emailing Alex @ Robinson Arms asking him for a conversion kit in 458 SOCOM...
Next time please also ask them for a XCR pistol in .458 SOCOM with appropriately marked mags.
To the OP, if you want to stay with .223, have you considered the Tavor, its only a little more $ than the XCR.
I was just checking out the 450 Bushmaster again I'd go for a conversion kit chambered in it if they can't do a 458 SOCOM it may even work out better for me I have .452" bullets from 200gr to 405gr on the shelf already.
I even have a couple boxes of Hornday's .452" 200gr FTX & 250gr FTX (flex tip) bullets bullets I was planning on loading them for my 14" T/C Contender carbine barrel or my LSI Puma M92 in 454 Casull...
I even have a couple boxes of Hornday's .452" 200gr FTX & 250gr FTX (flex tip) bullets bullets I was planning on loading them for my 14" T/C Contender carbine barrel or my LSI Puma M92 in 454 Casull...
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Hmmm. Well considering the -M isn't out yet, I'll go on the hunch people understand I'm referring to the stellar reputation of the only XCR product out there...Do you honestly believe it is going to be any different (better) than it's smaller sister? Am I drawing conclusions on something that hasn't been released yet? Absolutely. Is that fair? Time will tell I guess, but I'll put money on 'yes it is'. Anyhow, I've stirred the hornets nest enough. I'll let you guys get back to your circle jerk over which POS is better.
This is your opinion only, many people have different experiences and opinions than you. And the circle jerk comment is just childish. Thanks for the entertainment though.
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Right, where is your review?
Damn straight I do. Setting the CGN gun world straight one XCR thread at a time is tough work, but someone should do it....
I'm not the one making claims about the XCR-M being awesome or a POS. I tend to wait for a product to be released before flapping my gums
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100% correct.
OK, more serious note...
True, the XCR-M is not released yet but when it is I would suspect (pure supposition on my part) there to be a higher than normal chance that it will suffer from the same type teething issues that has plagued other Robarms products on release. Hopefully not, especially with new owners often holding the bag. It can happen with any system from any company true, but it seems to be SOP with Robarms.
If you want to compare apples to apples, you need to remove the 'non-restricted' portion out of the equation. This is a highly lopsided law that is designed to punish Canadian gun owners and make it extremely distasteful to own firearms. While I appreciate it is a major barrier we have to deal with, it has no bearing on the attributes of the firearms themselves.
There are a number of proven rifles already in Canada that would be superior (highly likely based on the current performance of the -L) that are in the price range - The LMT MWS and POF offerings in restricted and the Keltec RFB offering up a non-restricted option.
Don't sell the chinese M14s short; they offer excellent value for money in a proven, well supported platform. If you want something more spendy, it looks like the Robarms offering will be in line cost wise with a loaded up Springfield M1A...or there is always a kitted out M1 Garand
The new Swiss Arms SAPR will offer a sublime addition, albeit at a much higher cost.
As far as the -L is concerned, that horse has been beaten to death.
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Granted if the AR was NR this thread wouldn't even exsist and the XCR wouldn't be as popular as it is, just look at how popular it is in the US(not really), but that is not the case...So you have to factor in its legal status...The OP was asking about the differnet XCR models, obviously he wants a NR military looking rifle, so suggesting a restricted rifle is pointless, unless you are just trolling or an elitist gear whore....
OldFrankHog
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Beltfed and others have just changed their tactics for bashing the XCR after the owner of this sight smacked them down for it. They have just toned it down a bit. They aren't fooling anyone. For people that don't like the gun so much they can't resist reading and talking about it. Strange.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Back to the OP... I'm assuming the NR status and price point of the XCR are the main aspects that appeal here. The Tavor, FS2000 and ACR will probably run you a grand more, and there are no 6.8 SPC options for any at present. The ACR will probably be the most accurate out of the group. Bullpup designs are certainly more compact but not necessarily for everyone. Once you get into the $3k+ range we're also into Swiss Arms territory as well.
Bottom line is there's lots of options for non-restricted black rifles in .223 depending on how much you want to shell out; less so if you're looking for something in 6.8 SPC or .308.
In terms of .308, aside from the XCR-M the only other NR "tactical" option in the same price range would be the RFB.
Bottom line is there's lots of options for non-restricted black rifles in .223 depending on how much you want to shell out; less so if you're looking for something in 6.8 SPC or .308.
In terms of .308, aside from the XCR-M the only other NR "tactical" option in the same price range would be the RFB.
The reality of Canadian gun law is that you can't hunt with a restricted firearm. Suffice to say most interest in the XCR-M to date is as a legal black hunting firearm. To suggest comparing restricted firearms to non restricted firearms as comparing apples to apples for this purpose is a waste of time and as others have stated, questions the poster's agenda.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The fact is that the XCR holds an undeserved and elevated status simply because of it's NR status. It is not a great gun; it is simply a good gun. In the hands of someone like Cook (who is arguably a pretty good shot from the looks of it) it becomes an effective tool. The XCR-M is still unproven so I'm not going to comment beyond that.
The bottom line is that if we weren't inhibited by the restricted status of the AR, we'd all be running around with 18.5" versions in 6.8 SPC...
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Agreed. The closest comparison to the XCR-M would be the RFB, but it's also a bullpup design. I think a head-to-head shoot-off between the two would be interesting since they're both in the same price range.
