Xcr war
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OldFrankHog
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It's like kel-tec did a great gun, bullpup .308, painted it black and people are saying it's a tactical rifle competing with m14's and SR-25's and ####...WHAT!?!
Damn that's a lot of hate for the XCR. I wonder how many have actually owned it and used it for a while and performed direct comparison with other firearms to hold such staunch negative opinions ? I'd venture that most posters are just armchair gurus who base their judgment on "extensive internet research" and “friend’s experiences” 
I have owned an XCR-L for a while and have fired it extensively ~ 7000 rounds and dragged it around hell's half acre while trekking/ bag packing/ camping etc. It's been banged up, dinged around, soaked in the rain, dropped in puddles, used as a mallet to drive down tent hooks (unloaded of-course) and had all sorts of 'oh-s**t' experiences that a utility tool would be subject to while 'roughing it' and it still performs like a champ and shoots ~ 2MOA with irons (100m, 10 shot groups). It would probably do better with a scope, but I can't be bothered to go through the hassle just to satisfy internet commandos. The only failure ? The lower tube of the stock got bent slightly and was replaced by Wolverine no questions asked under warranty. It has fired when it’s dirty, wet, hot (upto +35C), cold (upto -15C) and with all sorts of crappy ammo.
In short, it works as designed and does a bang up job while doing it. It’s sound in it’s design, refined in it’s manufacturing and fit-up, robust in it’s operation, relatively maintenance free and (thx to the regulator) not picky at all with ammo. Oh, and inherently accurate to boot. What more does one really ask for in a rifle ?
To the Original Poster – I imagine the XCR-M to be quite identical to the XCR-L with the exception of the caliber of course. Pick which ammo you feel fits your useage criteria better (5.56mm NATO or 7.62mm NATO) and just go with the corresponding model. Note that both models have an option for interchangeable caliber kits– if that is a criteria. I don’t own any additional uppers, but the 7.62x39mm kit does look interesting for general plinking.
Note that as I do not hunt, I cannot advise you from that perspective. I’m sure more knowledgeable members can chime in on cartridge suitability for hunting, but would imagine that anything a small bullet can do, a bigger bullet will do better! Any questions – ask!
I have owned an XCR-L for a while and have fired it extensively ~ 7000 rounds and dragged it around hell's half acre while trekking/ bag packing/ camping etc. It's been banged up, dinged around, soaked in the rain, dropped in puddles, used as a mallet to drive down tent hooks (unloaded of-course) and had all sorts of 'oh-s**t' experiences that a utility tool would be subject to while 'roughing it' and it still performs like a champ and shoots ~ 2MOA with irons (100m, 10 shot groups). It would probably do better with a scope, but I can't be bothered to go through the hassle just to satisfy internet commandos. The only failure ? The lower tube of the stock got bent slightly and was replaced by Wolverine no questions asked under warranty. It has fired when it’s dirty, wet, hot (upto +35C), cold (upto -15C) and with all sorts of crappy ammo.
In short, it works as designed and does a bang up job while doing it. It’s sound in it’s design, refined in it’s manufacturing and fit-up, robust in it’s operation, relatively maintenance free and (thx to the regulator) not picky at all with ammo. Oh, and inherently accurate to boot. What more does one really ask for in a rifle ?
To the Original Poster – I imagine the XCR-M to be quite identical to the XCR-L with the exception of the caliber of course. Pick which ammo you feel fits your useage criteria better (5.56mm NATO or 7.62mm NATO) and just go with the corresponding model. Note that both models have an option for interchangeable caliber kits– if that is a criteria. I don’t own any additional uppers, but the 7.62x39mm kit does look interesting for general plinking.
Note that as I do not hunt, I cannot advise you from that perspective. I’m sure more knowledgeable members can chime in on cartridge suitability for hunting, but would imagine that anything a small bullet can do, a bigger bullet will do better!
Any questions – ask!
blaxsun
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Pretty sure the RFB is viewed as a black/tactical rifle. As mentioned, I think the NR status is an added bonus. Have to be honest, I haven't really heard anything comparing it to the M14, SR25, etc. though (pretty sure accuracy is not going to be anywhere on par with those).
Well as far as I am concerned the -L is a great gun and the only military style rifle that has ever peaked my interest enough to buy one.
As for being a pretty good shot thank you for the complement
I sometimes wonder how good I could have really been I mean I even surprise myself sometimes considering I have an eye disorder called Keraticonus and was on a cornea replacement list to get my aiming eye cornea replaced.No it is not replaced yet...
blaxsun
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Damn that's a lot of hate for the XCR. I wonder how many have actually owned it and used it for a while and performed direct comparison with other firearms to hold such staunch negative opinions ? I'd venture that most posters are just armchair gurus who base their judgment on "extensive internet research" and “friend’s experiences”
I'll be the first to admit I've never fired an XCR; I've handled one, but that's about it. Just based on initial first impressions it wasn't a 'love at first' sight experience. And yes, I will acknowledge that I rely on friend's experiences with respect to the XCR (all have owned dozens of different black rifles with thousands of rounds downrange on each, so I value their experience and impressions).
Well, since you posed the question... less loctite?
OldFrankHog
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C'mon, blue loctite is like Frank's red hot, I put that #### on everything!
blaxsun
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Well as far as I am concerned the -L is a great gun and the only military style rifle that has ever peaked my interest enough to buy one.
As for being a pretty good shot thank you for the complement
No it is not replaced yet...
The 6.8 SPC for the XCR is a big selling point in itself for those that want a dual-purpose black rifle. I think when the 6.8 SPC kits are eventually available for the ACR it's going to be an 'XCR killer' (despite being more expensive). The quick-change barrel assembly and ambidextrous features are going to be hard to beat. And initial reports are it's a tack driver.
Well, since you posed the question... less loctite?
lolz. Good point. No loctite would be better
In all seriousness, I have yet to have an issue due to lack of application of loctite. I inspect the bolts for tightness as part of my regular cleaning/ inspection regimen and it has ceased to be a cause for concern for me (not that they have ever shaken loose).
The advertising in the states they compare the RFB to the M1a (alot).
I own both, RFB and XCR-L (6.8) both are great rifles in my opinion, just got the RFB (waited 8 months) so my trigger time is limited, but i love it already !
I predict that the RFB will be my go to hunting rig between the 2 because 308 is much easier to find ( i dont reload yet and soft point 6.8 is very hard to find).
blaxsun
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Yeah, I think that's a stretch...
That's a very valid point; unless you reload 6.8 SPC isn't readily available.
That's the selling point for me vis a vis both the RFB and the XCR. I already shoot .243 in my go to hunting lever which is a necked down .308 case and have been picking up brass. The fact that the XCR-M is available in .260 Rem, again using .308 brass might give it the edge for me.
Sometimes when I see what Camp Cook accomplishes hunting with his 6.8 SPC, the fact you can load ten round pistol mags for the XCR-L in .223, 6.8 SPC and 7.62x39mm plus shoot surplus, I get sorely tempted to go that route.
Thing about the 10 round mags is I never have a chance to shoot more than one round at a game animal my -L is so accurate that is all I ever need.
I did shoot one coyote twice but that is because it twitched or maybe I imagined it twitched and I was looking for an excuse to shoot more than one shot...
I did shoot one coyote twice but that is because it twitched or maybe I imagined it twitched and I was looking for an excuse to shoot more than one shot...
Thing about the 10 round mags is I never have a chance to shoot more than one round at a game animal my -L is so accurate that is all I ever need.
I did shoot one coyote twice but that is because it twitched or maybe I imagined it twitched and I was looking for an excuse to shoot more than one shot...
LOL. That's the truth. When I hunt with my Tikka T3 bolt action - well its a three round mag in .270 WSM so the best I can have is one up the spout and three in the mag. But you never need/get more than two shots. Either its dead or its gone!
But I just tried a timed carbine shoot with my CZ 858. Although I was pretty good at mag changes, pinned 5 round mags meant twice as many mag changes as the AR guys with 10 round mags. The 10 round XCR pistol mags would be sweet on the range but in practical terms not really needed in the bush.
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Best deal I've yet to see on a Swiss just showed up on the EE. If I wasn't hurting for cash I would buy it in a heart beat.
blaxsun
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What happened to the XCR?
Well, the SAN is a tad on the heavy aside - and you'll need to buy the low profile (top) rail because it doesn't come with one (so that will put you around the $3,500-ish range). Aside from that the Swiss Arms is a great rifle. Used (mint) I've seen them as low as $2,800 - so that's always an option as well.Edit: Addendum, the only other thing I'm not crazy about the Swiss Arms is they don't take LAR magazines, so you're limited to 5 rounds; they do make a lower that accepts AR magazines - but that pushes it to around $4k.
This is the one I'd want.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=642822&highlight=swiss+carbine
