243 win 105 berger vld, dead elk 688 yards

Jamie said:
ah.....whats the truth? she shot it? after being coached? I have had many shooters( girls too) first time on a dialed in gun hit the steel at 600meters five out of five shots. so is baiting deer with feed plots and apples hunting? shooting a wolf or bear on a bait? I just dont see how this is not hunting?
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I think that this is what many are missing here perhaps because they don't have any experience, but with today's equipment and a qualified coach killing an elk at 688 yards is no big thang. Try the gear guys. If you EVER get the chance to shoot with someone as qualified in long range as John, jump at the chance. The first words out of everyone's mouth when the ring the 1000 yard gong is, "I never knew it was that easy!"
 
WOW this thread is still going eh ... lots of KNOW-it-alls when it comes to .243 ... interesting points from all. I'm considering going on a cougar hunt one day in the West ... I was considering using my .243 M14 shorty build for this hunt ... let's hear what you all have to say? I'm curious to hear too small calibre, too big calibre, just right calibre ... this is a cougar at close range, possibly mid-range, not sure about long range ... this is NOT an elk. Your thoughts/opinions on my choice for cougar? ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
 
Otokiak said:
WOW this thread is still going eh ... lots of KNOW-it-alls when it comes to .243 ... interesting points from all. I'm considering going on a cougar hunt one day in the West ... I was considering using my .243 M14 shorty build for this hunt ... let's hear what you all have to say? I'm curious to hear too small calibre, too big calibre, just right calibre ... this is a cougar at close range, possibly mid-range, not sure about long range ... this is NOT an elk. Your thoughts/opinions on my choice for cougar? ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
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Pretty good chance you'd end up shooting one out of a tree, that's really the only way to get them. If you get a 100 yard shot, that would be considered extreme. :)
 
Otokiak said:
WOW this thread is still going eh ... lots of KNOW-it-alls when it comes to .243 ... interesting points from all. I'm considering going on a cougar hunt one day in the West ... I was considering using my .243 M14 shorty build for this hunt ... let's hear what you all have to say? I'm curious to hear too small calibre, too big calibre, just right calibre ... this is a cougar at close range, possibly mid-range, not sure about long range ... this is NOT an elk. Your thoughts/opinions on my choice for cougar? ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
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Two of the cat guys I've been around used .223 in a child's length Encore, small and easy to carry around. Two others used Model 94s in 32 special and30/30 just because it was a historic thing with them. The .243 is plenty of gun for a cat up a tree.
 
I have to say I am flabbergasted. I just read the thread about the fellow that shot the moose and didn't find it. People calling the Elk kill unethical posted on that thread. He jumped off his atv shot the moose with iron sights, chased it, didn't know moose shot placement and was new to moose hunting. None of the people that posted there calling the elk hunt unethical gave him a hard time or called what he did unethical.

He found the moose on his atv, didn't verify his trajectory (he checked what it said on the box), didn't know shot placement or anatomy, chased it after the shot for a few kilometers and was new to moose hunting and all he gets is a better luck next time??? The girl that kills the elk with one shot, with known trajectory at known range with precision gear, coached by an expert gets an unethical??

Are you guys for real? If that isn't hypocritical I don't know what is.
 
kman300 said:
I have to say I am flabbergasted. I just read the thread about the fellow that shot the moose and didn't find it. People calling the Elk kill unethical posted on that thread. He jumped off his atv shot the moose with iron sights, chased it, didn't know moose shot placement and was new to moose hunting. None of the people that posted there calling the elk hunt unethical gave him a hard time or called what he did unethical.

He found the moose on his atv, didn't verify his trajectory (he checked what it said on the box), didn't know shot placement or anatomy, chased it after the shot for a few kilometers and was new to moose hunting and all he gets is a better luck next time??? The girl that kills the elk with one shot, with known trajectory at known range with precision gear, coached by an expert gets an unethical??

Are you guys for real? If that isn't hypocritical I don't know what is.
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Well said.....

DF:D
 
kman300 said:
I have to say I am flabbergasted. I just read the thread about the fellow that shot the moose and didn't find it. People calling the Elk kill unethical posted on that thread. He jumped off his atv shot the moose with iron sights, chased it, didn't know moose shot placement and was new to moose hunting. None of the people that posted there calling the elk hunt unethical gave him a hard time or called what he did unethical.

He found the moose on his atv, didn't verify his trajectory (he checked what it said on the box), didn't know shot placement or anatomy, chased it after the shot for a few kilometers and was new to moose hunting and all he gets is a better luck next time??? The girl that kills the elk with one shot, with known trajectory at known range with precision gear, coached by an expert gets an unethical??

Are you guys for real? If that isn't hypocritical I don't know what is.
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Very well said!
 
Here we go again - judging the ethics by the end result.

Personally I would not have taken the 688 shot, would have tried to get closer.
Just read the moose post, I would have aimed lower with a different rifle.

I am not going to judge either of them, and hopefully no one will judge me. We do what we think is right at the time and sometimes it works out and sometimes not. All you guys have made mistakes, even the "real deal" and I have made my share and maybe more. So we learn from them and move on.

Its easy to be a monday morning QB.....quite a bit harder to be game day QB
 
kman300 said:
I have to say I am flabbergasted. I just read the thread about the fellow that shot the moose and didn't find it. People calling the Elk kill unethical posted on that thread. He jumped off his atv shot the moose with iron sights, chased it, didn't know moose shot placement and was new to moose hunting. None of the people that posted there calling the elk hunt unethical gave him a hard time or called what he did unethical.

He found the moose on his atv, didn't verify his trajectory (he checked what it said on the box), didn't know shot placement or anatomy, chased it after the shot for a few kilometers and was new to moose hunting and all he gets is a better luck next time??? The girl that kills the elk with one shot, with known trajectory at known range with precision gear, coached by an expert gets an unethical??

Are you guys for real? If that isn't hypocritical I don't know what is.
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I agree, a bit. One difference I see is that the 700 yard shot is being bragged about and touted as a great feat and he will do it again the next chance he gets. The lost moose guy is looking for help so it doesn't happen next time.
 
I am not so sure it 100% ethics that is getting everybody worked up.

I think there is a little bit of jealousy maybe here too.Folks that know they can't make that shot are the first to speak up,not to mention it is a girl!! :stirthepot2:

However I do honestly think that some are upset over the kinda of showboating that the video portrays.The viewers didn't see failure and that is what they wanted to see, the old "I told ya so" scenario.The fellow with the moose didn't retrieve his animal successfully on shots that others would have attempted so it isn't such a sore spot.

What's done is done and only the hunter/shooter has to deal with the outcome of a miss, maybe time to lay off the folks for a while.


kman300 said:
I have to say I am flabbergasted. I just read the thread about the fellow that shot the moose and didn't find it. People calling the Elk kill unethical posted on that thread. He jumped off his atv shot the moose with iron sights, chased it, didn't know moose shot placement and was new to moose hunting. None of the people that posted there calling the elk hunt unethical gave him a hard time or called what he did unethical.

He found the moose on his atv, didn't verify his trajectory (he checked what it said on the box), didn't know shot placement or anatomy, chased it after the shot for a few kilometers and was new to moose hunting and all he gets is a better luck next time??? The girl that kills the elk with one shot, with known trajectory at known range with precision gear, coached by an expert gets an unethical??

Are you guys for real? If that isn't hypocritical I don't know what is.
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The problem with this whole thing is that there is so many better options. 99 people out of a 100 that have any experince with killing elk will tell you that the .243 Win. is marginal for elk at best with top quality hunting bullets (which Bergers are not). The whole infomercial feel of it all should have had Billy Blanks doing the comentary instead of Burnes. It is nothing more than a guy with a big ego saying look at me and what I can do.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
I am not so sure it 100% ethics that is getting everybody worked up.

I think there is a little bit of jealousy maybe here too.Folks that know they can't make that shot are the first to speak up,not to mention it is a girl!! :stirthepot2:

However I do honestly think that some are upset over the kinda of showboating that the video portrays.The viewers didn't see failure and that is what they wanted to see, the old "I told ya so" scenario.The fellow with the moose didn't retrieve his animal successfully on shots that others would have attempted so it isn't such a sore spot.

What's done is done and only the hunter/shooter has to deal with the outcome of a miss, maybe time to lay off the folks for a while.
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There's no jealousy on my part here, trust me. The "failure" videos don't get posted on Youtube, that's the issue, and I know they're out there.
I'd also love to see how that Berger's performance(or rather lack thereof) is at 100 yards or so.
Ever notice none of their hunting videos are at distances under 500 yards? There's a reason for that, it's called bullet failure.
The problems I have with this video is having a first time hunter attempt that distance in order to try and sell your product to other inexperienced hunters who in turn believe they can duplicate the results and having the animals suffer as a consequence.

The trend in using match bullets for big game hunting is disturbing. I see no advantage to it, only potential disadvantages. Berger can call them whatever they want, they are no different than the other thin jacketed paper punchers, they are simply trying to expand their sales market(target and hunting) at the expense of animals. At least most other manufacturers have the sense to discourage hunters from using their match bullets on game. I'm not sure why Berger resists in making a dedicated hunting bullet like the other manufacturers, but I'd venture a guess the reason is that there's money to be saved in using the same manufacturing methods.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
I am not so sure it 100% ethics that is getting everybody worked up.

I think there is a little bit of jealousy maybe here too.Folks that know they can't make that shot are the first to speak up,not to mention it is a girl!! :stirthepot2:
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I assume you understand the psychological term "projection".
 
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