Sad find today in the woods.

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Waterfowler said:
It's not the method...it's the hunter....

Many are not responsible enough, mature enough, smart enough, not to take a low percentage shot at a deer. How many guys take their guns out without sighting them in??? Thinking boresighted is good enough???? Buy a crossbow go hunting the same day??? It's disgusting.

I bet in Ontario, the ratio of deer recovered versus deer hit and not recovered is pretty close to equal.
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What an assinine statement :rolleyes: or can you actually back that up with any kind of facts....I thought not!
 
mbogo3 said:
This is starting to sound like a Disney movie about the big bad hunter........Nature [The Ravens] were getting a free meal as this is what they were designed to do.Nothing in nature is wasted just because a human wasn't the benifactor in this case.He messed up his opportunity so those next in line win...........simple really.........Harold
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So the prudent thing to do as a hunter is to start shooting deer and leaving them laying around so the scavengers and predators don't have to work so hard for a meal? :confused:

Nice.
 
Waterfowler said:
It's not the method...it's the hunter....

Many are not responsible enough, mature enough, smart enough, not to take a low percentage shot at a deer. How many guys take their guns out without sighting them in??? Thinking boresighted is good enough???? Buy a crossbow go hunting the same day??? It's disgusting.

I bet in Ontario, the ratio of deer recovered versus deer hit and not recovered is pretty close to equal.
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senior said:
What an assinine statement :rolleyes: or can you actually back that up with any kind of facts....I thought not!
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Personally, I think Waterfowler is right. I've shot a number of deer that had previous bullet and arrow wounds. I've lost a few myself over the years but always done all I can to try to recover a deer. I have no doubt a ton of deer are wounded each season and never recovered.
 
tactical870 said:
Personally, I think Waterfowler is right. I've shot a number of deer that had previous bullet and arrow wounds. I've lost a few myself over the years but always done all I can to try to recover a deer. I have no doubt a ton of deer are wounded each season and never recovered.
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Thats fine and I agree that some hunters (of all disciplines) dont put in the proper amount of effort both before, during and after the hunt. But to automatically throw those who perform deer drives under the bus (or as Waterfowler put it, all Ontario hunters) is dead wrong and plain and simple insulting.

Their is not one shred of credible evidence that this deer came from a deer drive. The guy who found it cant even be sure. For some guy half a continent away to declare that it surely was wounded in a drive so all people who perform drives are crappy hunters is dead wrong.
 
Waterfowler said:
It's not the method...it's the hunter....

Many are not responsible enough, mature enough, smart enough, not to take a low percentage shot at a deer. How many guys take their guns out without sighting them in??? Thinking boresighted is good enough???? Buy a crossbow go hunting the same day??? It's disgusting.

I bet in Ontario, the ratio of deer recovered versus deer hit and not recovered is pretty close to equal.
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tactical870 said:
When did he say that???????? :cool:
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I find that rather insulting, dont you?
 
tactical870 said:
Personally, I think Waterfowler is right. I've shot a number of deer that had previous bullet and arrow wounds. I've lost a few myself over the years but always done all I can to try to recover a deer. I have no doubt a ton of deer are wounded each season and never recovered.
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Well I can't comment on where you hunt in Ont or who you hunt with, but personally I have killed a number of deer in my life & have never shot one that was previously wounded with either bullets or arrows. In our camp of the 100s of deer shot, I can remember two wounded & not recovered. I'm sure it has happened & will happen again but a dim-wited statement that 1/2 of animals hit in Ont were not recovered is assinine needs to be challenged.
 
This happens everywhere unfortunately. Imagine being outland on the arctic tundra with no tree's, rolling hills, lakes galore ... and the odd dead tuktu(caribou) ... beautiful picture until you find one with a gut shot or missing jaw ... :(

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
 
jimbo45 said:
yup i agree,thats why i dont like hunting big game by driving them into a frenzzy with dogs
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Wow, there is the funniest post on the thread. What amount of experience do you have hunting deer with dogs? I've hunted deer with dogs for 25 years, and it's pretty rare to see a deer in a "frenzy". Also I can only recall losing 2 deer in all those years. That's the joy of hunting with well trained dogs, if you have a difficult track, you can always leash them and follow the blood track, usually with a dead deer at the end that would have been otherwise unrecovered.
 
Again.... and this was said in the 688 yard elk thread.... it's not up to anybody to decide who's way of hunting is better than others.... but what IS important is that when you do partake in the sport you put the time and effort in to ensure you can do it as cleanly and humanely as possible.... there are good dog hunters and bad ones... just like any other discipline... It seems the OP fells the ones across the road are bad...
 
blasted_saber said:
I find that rather insulting, dont you?
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I'm more insulted with the number of unethical hunters I come across....

senior said:
Well I can't comment on where you hunt in Ont or who you hunt with, but personally I have killed a number of deer in my life & have never shot one that was previously wounded with either bullets or arrows. In our camp of the 100s of deer shot, I can remember two wounded & not recovered. I'm sure it has happened & will happen again but a dim-wited statement that 1/2 of animals hit in Ont were not recovered is assinine needs to be challenged.
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The issue isn't guys like you and I though. There are tons of camps out there who will tell stories about all the deer they "missed". I don't doubt that it happens a lot.

Superbrad said:
what IS important is that when you do partake in the sport you put the time and effort in to ensure you can do it as cleanly and humanely as possible.......
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This is what matters. And educate those around you so hopefully we can lessen the amount of wounded or unrecovered deer in the woods.
 
Superbrad said:
Again.... and this was said in the 688 yard elk thread.... it's not up to anybody to decide who's way of hunting is better than others.... but what IS important is that when you do partake in the sport you put the time and effort in to ensure you can do it as cleanly and humanely as possible.... there are good dog hunters and bad ones... just like any other discipline... It seems the OP fells the ones across the road are bad...
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Well said sir....
 
M12shooter said:
Bush pushing at driven deer is by a long shot the sloppyest form of deer hunting. Of coarse all persons on discussion forums are crack shots at bounding deer though..and rarely if ever loose one....
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By far it is the most intelligent way to hunt deer and cover a lot of ground, to roust out a few decent ones, with friends who know what they are doing.

Its only for hunters who feel confident in hitting and retrieving what they shoot at, and are fearless in their pursuit.

That may be why its not for everyone, and still hunting is still popular.;)
 
blasted_saber said:
I find that rather insulting, dont you?
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Yeah, I guess your too sensitive. It's like how you defend the MNR all the time. But I understand why.;) All good. Based on other posts of yours here and other boards, I think you are probably a very responsible hunter.

But there are tons and tons that are not. Think about all the issues during turkey season. And I think the attitude those guys take, is likely passed on to other aspects of their hunting....ie...the deer didn't drop right there, must have missed, let's just shoot at another.

I love hunting with hounds. It is awesome. But what kind of moron unloads his semi or whatever on a 100 yd deer when all they can see is a white tail bouncing through the woods.

I guess my bottom line point is this...I think there are a lot more deer hit (and likely die) when guys just assume they missed.

Bad shots happen, even when taking responsible shots. But we will all lose one sooner or later. And it's what you do after the shot that matters.
 
7mmlefty said:
By far it is the most intelligent way to hunt deer and cover a lot of ground, to roust out a few decent ones, with friends who know what they are doing.

Its only for hunters who feel confident in hitting and retrieving what they shoot at, and are fearless in their pursuit.

That may be why its not for everyone, and still hunting is still popular.;)
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I have done both methods and I disagree... takes much more smarts to scout the woods for sign, establish patterns... learn about travel routes in your area etc...

During hunting pressure, trophy deer can be found in areas they themselves have never been before.... just due to being pushed there.... much easier to happen across a trophy in driven areas... just ask Milo Hansen....

Is it a good method?.. sure... does it require greater intelligence?.... nope
 
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