Self Defense Gun

No Offense Be2man....but you don't know what your are talking about......2 in 4 days in our city in nice family areas, one with a person threatning with a knife while there kids watched them steal there family stuff. I am no drug guy and have 2 kids and a wife. They broke in 30 feet from where I was sleeping and robbed me.

THIS is the only reason you need to defend yourself. It SHOULD also be more than enough reason for the government to say "yes, these things can happen, everyone has the right to defend themselves".

Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad everyone's okay. I think in the end, it doesn't really matter, handgun or shotgun. I might be more inclined shotgun than handgun, simply because a stray bullet could go through drywall, whereas stray buckshot not as likely- know what's beyond your target right?

Also easier to manipulate under high-stress, IMO.
 
When I'm asked this [the OP's question], my usual reply is that you should take the money you'd spend on a gun and use it to harden your doors and easily accessible windows to the point they can't be forced without _a lot_ of noise and effort. Also, make sure everybody in your home is trained to NEVER open a door to a stranger, or someone they don't know and trust beyond a doubt. [I like the decorative iron-barred storm doors...I have one on my front door].

If you still need a gun after that....I'd go with a short-barreled shotgun in 12 or 20ga. The Dominion Arms shorties look pretty cool, but a regular slug gun with a pistol grip is pretty handy too.

One of the nice things about pump shotguns is that by keeping them cocked, safety-on, with an empty chamber, they can be brought into action in a moment, but will be hard to unlock either by a child or anybody unfamiliar with the system...
 
No Offense Be2man....but you don't know what your are talking about......2 in 4 days in our city in nice family areas, one with a person threatning with a knife while there kids watched them steal there family stuff. I am no drug guy and have 2 kids and a wife. They broke in 30 feet from where I was sleeping and robbed me.


That's a bad thing to have to experience. Sorry you had to go through that. If that happened to me it would definately change my perspective and I guess was the reason for your original question. If I felt my life or family was in danger I would respond as best I could. That just hasn't been my experience in small town Ontario.
 
All the home invasion stories I can recall, if you read between the lines involved drugs/crime/gangs in various combinations. They aren't random acts of violence. They are somebody looking for something specific from someone specific, or payback. The chances of an average citizen being a victim of a violent home invasion are less than that of a big lottery win. Yes, there's the "Better to have and not need" camp, and if it helps you sleep better at night, no harm. Be sure not to compromise the safety of family and friends with inadequate storage or experience.

This is incorrect some are random innocent citizens.
 
When I'm asked this [the OP's question], my usual reply is that you should take the money you'd spend on a gun and use it to harden your doors and easily accessible windows to the point they can't be forced without _a lot_ of noise and effort. Also, make sure everybody in your home is trained to NEVER open a door to a stranger, or someone they don't know and trust beyond a doubt. [I like the decorative iron-barred storm doors...I have one on my front door].

If you still need a gun after that....I'd go with a short-barreled shotgun in 12 or 20ga. The Dominion Arms shorties look pretty cool, but a regular slug gun with a pistol grip is pretty handy too.

One of the nice things about pump shotguns is that by keeping them cocked, safety-on, with an empty chamber, they can be brought into action in a moment, but will be hard to unlock either by a child or anybody unfamiliar with the system...

Solid advice and logical first step. A hard target is less likely to be one.

TDC
 
Thats a terrible tragedy.
There are over 13 million people in Ontario. Lots of major lotto winners in Ontario this year too, but I dont live my life expecting to be one of them.

How many people are playing the lottery in your opinion?
You can only win the lottery if You are playing one.
In the real life however You can loose everything, just because You were in wrong place in wrong time, without taking part in any, illegal activities.
Do You believe that the mentioned murder was the only case like this in Ontario last year?
 
When I'm asked this [the OP's question], my usual reply is that you should take the money you'd spend on a gun and use it to harden your doors and easily accessible windows to the point they can't be forced without _a lot_ of noise and effort. Also, make sure everybody in your home is trained to NEVER open a door to a stranger, or someone they don't know and trust beyond a doubt. [I like the decorative iron-barred storm doors...I have one on my front door].

If you still need a gun after that....I'd go with a short-barreled shotgun in 12 or 20ga. The Dominion Arms shorties look pretty cool, but a regular slug gun with a pistol grip is pretty handy too.

One of the nice things about pump shotguns is that by keeping them cocked, safety-on, with an empty chamber, they can be brought into action in a moment, but will be hard to unlock either by a child or anybody unfamiliar with the system...

A shotgun is useful if you are near at the time of the incident.
 
Thats a terrible tragedy.
There are over 13 million people in Ontario. Lots of major lotto winners in Ontario this year too, but I dont live my life expecting to be one of them.

Recently there has been a number of home invasions and b&e(s) in Ontario involving gun owners. How many gun owners owner are there in Ontario does this increase the odds?

I don't thinks it about living in fear as much as it is about how to employ a tool you most likely have if you are on this site. I also have fire extinguishers, it doesn't make me overly worried about being the victim of a fire or mean I'm paranoid.
 
There's no law that says you cannot use a firearm to protect yourself in Canada, given a life or death situation.
There is, however, provisions put in place in regards to storage regulations, etc. that effectively make it next to impossible.

Consider that restricted-class firearms like handguns are subject to more strenuous regulations compared to non-R, like say, a shotgun.
The reason for this is that the government recognizes that people have a legitimate reason for accessing a non-R quickly for pest control and defense.

For what it's worth, the .45 ACP is a reliable and powerful manstopper, less likely to over-penetrate and not as loud as some other alternatives, if one was going to go the pistol route for defending themselves.

Of course, the legal ramifications are to be considered, sadly, as self-defense is "not part of Canadian values" apparently.

A big dog, spotlights, a security camera system and an alarm with good locks go a long way. Might sound paranoid to some, but the people who have accused me of being have themselves had their unalarmed, unlocked premises and vehicle(s) burglarized.
Go figure.
 
Making bombs and conspiring to poison/kill someone is illegal, nothing being discussed here is illegal.

Home invasion type robberies are usually planned in advance because the victim has something the criminal has indentified and wants.
Ones geographical location does not necessarily prevent them from being targeted. In fact living in a nice area and having nice things could cause someone to be specifically targeted.

This couple resides in Dunnville, hardly a hotbed of criminal activity. According to your logic home invasions don't happen in nice areas.

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ttp://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1106779--two-seniors-survive-violent-home-robbery-in-dunnville?bn=1

Police are seeking three suspects after a violent home robbery in Haldimand County.

According to the OPP, three males entered a rural residence in Dunnville on Highway 3 around 1:10 am Saturday through an unlocked door.

The males confronted the home owners in their bedroom. One struck a 59-year-old male before the three restrained him and his 64-year-old wife.

The three searched the house before stealing a quantity of jewelry, two long guns and a handgun before fleeing the scene.

The victims freed themselves and were treated for non-life-threatening injuries which did not require hospitalization.

All three suspects are described as white males, 5’10”, seen with covered faces and dark clothing. Two are approximately 180-190 lbs., one wearing a black and white plaid jacket, dark pants, a dark hood and a toque. The third suspect is heavy-set at 230-240 lbs.

Anyone with information should call the OPP at 1-888-310-1122 or Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).
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If you don't like the thread or don't understand the complexities of this type of crime you don't have to participate.

So is conspiring to shoot and kill someone, and that is exactly what the OP wants to know. Asking on an open forum for the most effective instrument for that "job". It may not be illegal, but it certainly is incriminating as is shows intent should the worst case scenario be played out. No small wonder the ANTI's want us disarmed, don't play this game....we'll all lose. :HR:
 
There's no law that says you cannot use a firearm to protect yourself in Canada, given a life or death situation.
There is, however, provisions put in place in regards to storage regulations, etc. that effectively make it next to impossible.

Consider that restricted-class firearms like handguns are subject to more strenuous regulations compared to non-R, like say, a shotgun.
The reason for this is that the government recognizes that people have a legitimate reason for accessing a non-R quickly for pest control and defense.

For what it's worth, the .45 ACP is a reliable and powerful manstopper, less likely to over-penetrate and not as loud as some other alternatives, if one was going to go the pistol route for defending themselves.

Of course, the legal ramifications are to be considered, sadly, as self-defense is "not part of Canadian values" apparently.

A big dog, spotlights, a security camera system and an alarm with good locks go a long way. Might sound paranoid to some, but the people who have accused me of being have themselves had their unalarmed, unlocked premises and vehicle(s) burglarized.
Go figure.


a big dog is a good alert system. Cameras prevent nothing, and unless you're putting at 6' or less of elevation, are generally pretty useless. Good locks and solid doors are the #1 way to go. I have little use for alarms.
 
There's no law that says you cannot use a firearm to protect yourself in Canada, given a life or death situation.
There is, however, provisions put in place in regards to storage regulations, etc. that effectively make it next to impossible.

Consider that restricted-class firearms like handguns are subject to more strenuous regulations compared to non-R, like say, a shotgun.
The reason for this is that the government recognizes that people have a legitimate reason for accessing a non-R quickly for pest control and defense.

For what it's worth, the .45 ACP is a reliable and powerful manstopper, less likely to over-penetrate and not as loud as some other alternatives, if one was going to go the pistol route for defending themselves.

Of course, the legal ramifications are to be considered, sadly, as self-defense is "not part of Canadian values" apparently.

A big dog, spotlights, a security camera system and an alarm with good locks go a long way. Might sound paranoid to some, but the people who have accused me of being have themselves had their unalarmed, unlocked premises and vehicle(s) burglarized.
Go figure.

A dog or even lights and alarms aren't always an option. Rented properties and cost are two factors that can adversely affect such ideas. As for storage, no one will know what condition your firearm was stored in after the event. Likely, the lock will be on the floor, the vault open, and spent casings strewn about. Question is, were those locks removed recently, or not at all????

TDC
 
So is conspiring to shoot and kill someone, and that is exactly what the OP wants to know. Asking on an open forum for the most effective instrument for that "job". It may not be illegal, but it certainly is incriminating as is shows intent should the worst case scenario be played out. No small wonder the ANTI's want us disarmed, don't play this game....we'll all lose. :HR:

C'mon the OP is not conspiring to kill anyone.

Firearms may be used for self defence.

This is a quote from Vic Toews on the topic of self defence, property protection and firearms.

"We're changing the laws on self-defence and your right to protect your property," Toews told the gathering. "I'm not advocating that people use (guns) but if there's a legitimate ."

So if its a concern of the public and government and it is not unlawful why can't it be discussed. Attitudes won't change if we can't discuss this subject.

Here is a link to the article the quote came from.

http://www.tobacco.org/news/325165.html

• Living in smugglers' paradise *

They thought they were settling into a quiet life along the shores of the St. Lawrence east of Ottawa. Instead, they're living in fear as tobacco and drug smugglers do whatever it takes to make sure
Jump to full article: Ottawa (Ont) Citizen (ca), 2011-08-20
Author: Ian MacLeod, Ottawa Citizen

Intro:

Three hours from Parliament Hill via the Akwesasne Mohawk reserve, this pastoral corner of Quebec is descending into a version of northwest Pakistan, with tribal outlaws and mobsters controlling much of this remote borderland in defiance of the central authority.

If you think that is melodramatic, consider this:

On a recent visit by federal Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to listen to the fears of property owners about tobacco and drug smugglers hijacking the St. Lawrence River farming and cottage communities of southwest Quebec, the talk turned to shotguns, self-defence and possibly closing the international border crossing upriver at Cornwall altogether.

"We're changing the laws on self-defence and your right to protect your property," Toews told the gathering. "I'm not advocating that people use (guns) but if there's a legitimate ."

The small group of summer cottagers, farmers and others gathered around him nodded approvingly.

One, a highly-respected professional from Montreal who fears retribution if named, told Toews how river smugglers burned down one of his vacant cottages last winter. . . .

The scope of the smuggling is impossible to accurately quantify, though experts agree it generates hundreds of millions annually in black-market profits. One Cornwall-area tobacco smuggling kingpin arrested in 2006 was earning $250,000 a week, police said.

Dozens of organized crime groups big and small, from outlaw bikers and Italian mobsters to Vietnamese and Chinese gangs, use the same routes and infrastructure to move narcotics and illegal immigrants south into the U.S.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration estimates 13 metric tonnes of high-grade Canadian hydroponic marijuana - a week - was funnelled through Akwesasne in 2009. . . .

In an interview, Toews said senior Canadian and U.S. homeland security officials are exploring a joint customs post at Massena, New York, at the eastern entrance to Akwesasne/St. Regis.

"There's only two alternatives, we either shut down the border there completely (at Cornwall) or it goes to Massena," he said.

Americans "are in exactly the same position that we are. They are very concerned and it's not simply cigarettes, it's much more extensive than that and it spills into the whole area of (border) security...
 
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I've got my Sig 1911 with a TLR-1s on the rail. Two magazines of Hornady Tap beside it in my easy to access safe. I have a large dog to give me enough time to get armed.

The wife prefers her P226 in 9mm, so there are two magazines of hand loaded hollow points for it in the safe as well.

now we're talking!!:sniper:
 
A dog or even lights and alarms aren't always an option. Rented properties and cost are two factors that can adversely affect such ideas. As for storage, no one will know what condition your firearm was stored in after the event. Likely, the lock will be on the floor, the vault open, and spent casings strewn about. Question is, were those locks removed recently, or not at all????

TDC

Not saying it's an option for everybody or failproof, but it is an option to consider if it fits your lifestyle.
 
An Dominion Arms 8.5'' shotgun with extra ammo on the stock.
Both cellphone goes in the bedroom every night.
My GF also know where the ammo is in order to feed the second shotgun (Norinco 12'') if I get wounded or run out of ammo.
She also know the only way to get out by the backyard as well as were she should go to get immediate help.

Every door is double-checked before bed-time. As soon as we get in, the door get locked. In fact, if I add every seconds were the front door is unlocked, It's can't go over a minute a day... Finally, the bedroom door is locked every night as soon as both of us are in. Of course, things would be different if there was kids in the house... I'm looking to buy some windows bars (that can be open from the inside quickly in case of fire) in a near future.

Both firearms being non-restricted, I only have to take them from the gun cabinet (beside my bed) and load them with the readily available ammo stored as required by law.

It take longer to put on my slippers than getting my shotgun ready!

We are both military, but unlike other, we don't rely on the work done oversea to keep us safe here... We are trained to protect our life and the life of our partner. So we do.
 
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I would agree, in my uneducated un-home-invasioned ignorance, that a shotgun makes the most sense in increasing the chance of hitting something and decreasing the chance of shooting your neighbour through wall. What I wonder is how you store a shotgun, unloaded and with ammunition close by, without a big honkin' safe.

Is the Bond Arms Snake Slayer in .410, stored in a small safe next to a couple of shells, a legitimate short range defence option? Does anyone make a 20 gauge psitol or, **ouch** a 12 gauge?
 
i dont think a handgun in canada is a good option. by the time you get it out of your locker and get the trigger lock off of it and get your ammo out to load a magazine the persons you are worried about will probubly be gone. better to have the police look out for them down the road. i thik the old baseball bat or maybe a good size hunting knife would be a good option if you had to confront some one inside your place. lots of times if you just make noise or yell out its enough to scare them away. or get a big dog maybe.
you have to rememer something in canada to the liberals gun owners are all criminals the guy high on meth braking into your house is"trying to get his life back on track but made a mistake"
 
i dont think a handgun in canada is a good option. by the time you get it out of your locker and get the trigger lock off of it and get your ammo out to load a magazine the persons you are worried about will probubly be gone. better to have the police look out for them down the road. i thik the old baseball bat or maybe a good size hunting knife would be a good option if you had to confront some one inside your place. lots of times if you just make noise or yell out its enough to scare them away. or get a big dog maybe.
you have to rememer something in canada to the liberals gun owners are all criminals the guy high on meth braking into your house is"trying to get his life back on track but made a mistake"

Your idea of storing a handgun is a lot different than mine.

If I chose to, I could have a gun out of my safe and loaded in well under 10seconds. And yes, all legally stored.
 
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